Thank goodness for that otherwise there would be trouble.

Generally I dont have issues with Pro videographers, but I do have lots of Issues with tits and Video camera.

There is no doubt that both person have to have the finished product and with TEAM WORK, it can be done easy!

One:
Some guy - not pro and not hired, started to take over... standing in front of me and kept asking for the same people.. bride maids... I dont know if he was some sort of pedofile or what but this must have went on for ten minutes or more.

Then he kept backing into me! AH. I got my tits off with him.

Two
doing the prep's everything was OK, loads of people in a small house but we managed to work around each other.
Got to the wedding venue, said to him I will put one Tog out there to shoot through the window...

Where dose he stand... IN the window right infront of the other tog, It was comounded by the fact he was not doing anything with the camera and he could have moved out of the way.


From a Tog point of view, the image need to be set up, this often means getting up close and personal., yes it gets in the way, but if people are hiring tog and Vtogs, surely they expect that this will happen!

I have vtog in some shots, and no one seams to mind. I do get P'd off it a vtog get up close when I stand back so we can both work on the same shots.


Maybe its a small case, and maybe its just 6 of one and half a dosen of the other?

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You make some really valid points, on both the pros and cons from both camps. As full time video operators, we are always aware of the pro togs needs and allow them room to work. Sometimes we both cross in front of each other, but normally accidently.
Most current problems stem from the rank amateurs (I've got a 5D and and I'm a wedding photographer) who are more of a serious nuiscance in Church. A definite lack of respect there and the scene is set for the rest of the day.
Consideration for others is well down on their agenda and the newbies, like their video counterparts, create future problems for every pro, who, as a team player on the day is working for the Bride and Groom. But not at the expence of other service providers.

well that is all very good advice. one thing i do not condone is what i found out what my business partner did. after the photographer had ruined a number of shots, my business partner took it upon himself to tighten the photographers tripod as tite as it would go on every setting.

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As a retired "still photographer" I can say the video people can be just as annoying. I finally refused to photograph any wedding that was being video'd. I did suggest stills of the rehersal though and often that sufficed. I was then able to use my 4x5 large format camera and professional studio strobes/backgrounds with carefully posed modeling lights.These were of a quality unobtainable with even medium format in a hurried and often awkward pose. After selling my business/darkroom/studio i'm now digital and doing volunteer videography for non profit organizations.

Having done both stills and video I can say that both are as bad as each other but stills photographers are slowly getting worse as their craft sinks into obsolescence. In days of old the stills man used to be the "Master of ceremonies" directing the whole show. This is still partially the case but a lot of the old duffers haven't moved with the times.

Firstly I tried to have a talk and decide our "rules of engagement" before the start of the service. In the event that the photographer is a semi-pro or duffer who's not willing to compromise, I had no problem complaining to the Bride's parents and then, if that didn't work, "accidentally" knocking over his tripod. Incidentally don't worry about him claiming damages since there is a stated case that a tripod is an "obstruction" and, unless he can prove wilfull damage, it's up to him to keep it out of the public's way, not the other way around.
Seeing your camera thudding to the floor usually gets the message across.

Stills guys used to have tricks to stop the guests taking their own photos, the easiest and most tacky was simply to stand in front of the couple (or get their assistant to do it) apart from when the "official" photos were being taken. A lot of not-very-good photographers still do this because they're not sure that their photos will otherwise be sufficiently "better" than the guests' snaps.

Once you know these tricks, I found that going to the Bride's parents and pointing out what the photographer's doing, usually got him a severe talking to. I also find that pointing this out, loudly in front of the guests, can work wonders.

Now that I only video weddings as a guest I'm amazed at how arrogant both stills and video can be.

I have to say I have never really had a problem with stills photographers. Maybe I am just very fortunate as I do know many who have!

I will have to go along with the wisdom of the guru on this one as I believe his vast experience, knowledge is spot on.

Now I have said this I will probably fall prey to lots!!!!

GDR

the animosity is very evident. I also tried "rules of engagement" but even that didn't stop the bickering. I decided to avoid the conflict entirely. Cost me but it was worth it. Incidentally I have a drawerful of awards, and international publication credits for my work, but I'm an artist, not a warrior. The floor is yours my friend.

If you're going to go into wedding videographer professionally then you need to know what to expect. By laying down the terms before the event, the stills guy knows what to expect. He should also be aware that you, as a videographer, are just as important (if not more so) than the stills and he should conduct himself accordingly. As a stills photographer I never had a problem and, on the few occasions I've "done" a wedding, by laying the ground rules beforehand, it's avoided problems. To assume that everything will run smoothly is very naiive.

Wedding work is a "war" and not for the faint hearted, it's best to leave it alone if you're not prepared to fight your corner.

First, I don't consider myself timid, I took a 50mm machine gun shell in my left leg and lost a lot of friends landing on guam in ww2, but that was necessary. I choose peace whenever possible. For those who want to fight for scraps like seagulls at a landfill, be my guest, I choose otherwise.