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Old 10-09-2008, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark W View Post
Jerry - just saw your carne offer above - me too want!
Can we have a DIY crane thread?
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It's all about degrees really.

The thing with DIY camera cranes is they can be really simple, so long as your need is to have one with sensibe height, say eight feet. And as I'm a great believer in keeping things simple, and in the fact that if it's behind the camera it doesn't matter what it looks like so long as it works, the design I have in mind will use wood as the base material.

There really is a load of tosh talk when it comes to cranes for most uses, fancy bearings and such are only needed on really large ones, or where rapid movement is wanted, as using a basic principle in all of the moving joints a steady controlled movement can be achieved cheaply in most cases. Stupidly most designs I see use a pair of paralell jibs to provide the camera levelling, which really is daft as it doubles the weight of the jib, and the smae thing can be achieved with a piece of strong string, and as I said earlier you can arrange it so that the camera gradually pans up or down as the crane rises. As a Manufacturing Engineer by profession I'm struggling to understand why commercial cranes cost so much, including consideration of all of the cost and safety implications.

Ok, so a wooden crane might not impress people much, but the results will, and that's what really matters.

I've made three cranes so far, but out of aluminium, this one............



.......which has a three jibs for different applications, and ones I've made for other folk on the same principles. The top cost for the biggest version shown in this pic is only about £120, and no special tools needed to make it (the shot above was taken a couple of weekends ago on the location used for my video in the User Video section).

You can see the first version of this crane through the link in my sig, though I must update the site as it's been improved since then with more bracing that you can see in the pic above.

Anyway, getting back to the one I suggest you go for I know it will work, and to be honest with some faffy after build care it could actually be made to look ok for a woody, matt black paint does wonders .

Anyway, enough hijacking of this thread. I'll get on with it.

In the mean time, am I right in assuming your camera is a Canon XL? Knowing the approximate weight helps to configure the design, though mine was built to take a PD150 with WA converters and a large battery, so not too far away.

And, there is one thing you'd be wise to start looking for now, as it's a must have that can scupper things. Either an old pan/tilt tripod head, or simply the screw needed to fix the camera. For your reference you are looking for a screw which is a 1/4" BSW (British Standard Whitworth). We can either fix the tripod head to the camera plate with the old tripod head, or screw the camera direct to the plate. Ebay helps here.
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That's awesome Jerry. Checked out the pictures on your website and I'm really impressed! We do have an XL1 but we will now be shooting with 2 brand spanking new Sony Z1 which arrived this afternoon (courtesy of Bentonville mall online retailers - an awful experience I may / may not post about later). I don't know how different the weight is between those 2 models. I also recently purchased a Glidecam 4000 smooth shooter which for some reason they sent a spare tripod head with so this may be a suitable mount?
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You don't want to buy a top quality Century Pro series Sony HD WA converter for that one do you? I have a spanker that's just taking up space. It uses the bayonet mount system on the Z1 so I can't use it on other cameras.

What are you doing with the XL1?

Your tripod head could save a bit of hassle, depends how it's fixed to the legs.
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Still going to hang to the XL1. We are trying to get into shooting more live events and 3 camera should come in quite handy.

Unfortunately between the 2 Z1's, glidecam, 35mm adaptor, tripod and all the other kit I have purchased in the last 3 weeks I think I might have to call it quits on equipment for a bit (no really, my business partner will kill me!). Thanks for the offer tho!
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No problems, it's a nice paperweight .
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Nice piece of work, well suited the style of music, must have been a monster to edit.

Hope the artist was pleased with the video.
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Just on that crane, it might be wize to have the triangle of the feet go right up to the pivot point (like all camera cranes I have seen over the years) having that piece which is just a straight upright will cause less stability and shake.

Just my humble thoughts, otherwize it looks lovely.

How did this thread get a crane overlap..?? I thought I was looking at a huge green screen effort, next thing I am eyeing out a camera crane.
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Just on that crane, it might be wize to have the triangle of the feet go right up to the pivot point
You are spot on, it's the next thing to do and is in progress now. As I've stiffened up the cranes as time has gone by it's shifted the sources of movement around, as it would, and the pivot head is the missing link at the moment. I'm going to be using off the shelf handrail clamps.

Enough of the crane thing here, I'll start an appropriate thread when the drawings are done, nearly there, need the trip to the store now.
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Originally Posted by rollingstock View Post
Nice piece of work, well suited the style of music, must have been a monster to edit.

Hope the artist was pleased with the video.
Yeah, he loved it. Took no time to shoot then weeks to edit! Thanks for the feedback!
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