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    Hi all,

    I run a small company which specialises in videoing school, youth and amateur theatre/dance performances. I'm after some advice regarding one of my customers who has asked that I be able to provide MP4 files of their shows rather than DVDs for their next production.

    This has posed two problems for me.

    1. What can I do to stop 1 person buying a file and sharing it with all their friends resulting in loss of income for myself and the group organiser?

    2. What precautions can I take to prevent the video being placed on the internet against the wishes of those partaking in it?



    If any of you have any experience in dealing with this then I would be most interested in hearing how you managed to solve this.

    Many Thanks

    Phil

    PS. Not sure why it says Windows Movie Maker in my profile. I actually use Premiere CC for editing and Encore CS6 for authoring
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    Hi Phil,

    Simple answer to both- you can't.

    For the past few years I've produced productions of a primary school nativity and although on DVD the same issues apply (most people are savvy enough to copy a DVD - I don't use any copy protection due to cost)

    For the copyright aspect I simply appeal to people's good nature. 1. It helps that 'm "known" among the parents so copying would be a bit like ripping off a friend. 2. I also donate a small amount of the proceeds to the school's Parent Teacher Association so my copyright notice at the beginning of the video politely points out that copying of the video not only infringes the copyright of the composers/writers, but deprives the school of some income.

    From the child protection aspect this is dealt with by the school. At the beginning of each performance the head states that any photos or videos must be for personal use only and must not be shared on social media.This is likely to have more impact than my copyright notice.

    Feel free to PM me if you want to discuss in more detail (though there's not much more detail I can give)


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    Hi Tim,

    That was pretty much what I expected to hear. It is the case with me that the group leader usually makes an announcement re videos and photos etc. and most of the adults put their phones away. In the case of some of the groups I video, my customers are the teenage members of the cast and I feel that they would pretty soon learn that they could get buy without paying and just share the file.

    At the moment my favourite option seems to be to let the group's leader have the file a couple of weeks after the DVD has been delivered and let them distribute it as they see fit; thereby passing the CP responsibilities to them.

    Thanks for responding

    Phil

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    You could charge extra for the mp4 option to compensate for potential losses.

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    That is worth considering, though I am just about to put my prices up for the DVDs so don't want to end up encouraging the kids to rip me off!

    Phil

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    There is no way to copy protect a video, if somebody is reasonably savvy.

    Anything which can be displayed on a PC screen can be captured back into an mp4 video file, using one of a number of utilities.

    For example I use MOVAVI screen capture, to generate a video of a GPS data logger during data playback, which can then be dropped onto the timeline of a video project in say Vegas. I also have FASTSTONE Screen Capture (which I use for doing screenshots to jpeg) which can capture a video of an area of the screen, but MOVAVI does it better.

    IMHO appealing to people's good nature is the only way.

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    Or you offer a "buy out".

    The group pay you a fixed amount and they get an MP4/DVD and can copy it as many times as they like. Insert a clause saying that they can't broadcast it or publish it on YouTube, Vimeo or suchlike without paying you extra.

    A few years ago I would have been vehemently against this sort of idea but nowadays you've got to swallow the fact that the work will be copied and distributed without your permission. So all you can do is try to get your money up front acknowledging the fact that it's going to be copied.

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    Hi Rob & Peter

    This is pretty much what I had thought. I've left it with my customer to make a suggestion now, she's had all mine.

    Thanks for the input though.

    Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rembrandt Rob View Post
    Or you offer a "buy out".

    The group pay you a fixed amount and they get an MP4/DVD and can copy it as many times as they like.
    Of course it depends on the group concerned, but whenever I've done that, it's surprising how quickly the response comes back that they'd rather I had the hassle of duplicating and distributing and I end up making more than I was after for the by our price. After that - do i really care if someone makes copies?
    So it's well worth offering that option in order to sound them out.
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    I think Rob's idea is the best these days. You can "sell it" a number of different ways but it boils down to the same thing. Decide on a price you think is right and say you will film it for that price and supply an MP4 or say to the school there is a minimum number of DVDs you'll produce for the school to sell, putting the onus on them to sell it. A little lateral thinking can make it a little easier for the client to accept a "different" way to what they are use to.

    I know a lot of guys who sell this way to dance schools etc.

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