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    Hello, all!
    I've been making montages (mostly travel videos) for a little while now, but I'm still struggling to get hits or to get people to finish watching them, so I think some feedback begging is in order. For example, this is my latest:



    Any and all constructive criticism or advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

    Edit: Oh, and any technical advice would also be great! Editing, cuts, music synchronization, filming, anything I should work on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojave View Post
    Hello, all!
    I've been making montages (mostly travel videos) for a little while now, but I'm still struggling to get hits or to get people to finish watching them, so I think some feedback begging is in order. For example, this is my latest:
    Unless you are already established, getting hits has little to do with how good the video is and is basically all down to marketing.
    Getting people to watch through is much more to do with how good the video is.

    Think about what makes you watch a video.

    After 30 secs I was thinking "OK This is just lots of shots from an action cam on a selfie stick. It's about a guy and a girl on a bike and there's some ff road (cos it says so in the title)." I'd normally have clicked away by then, I guessed that was all there was to it and I was right.
    We'd seen all the types of shots we were likely to get in the first 30 secs.

    You need to give people a reason to watch longer. I know it sounds very old school but something with a beginning, a middle and an end works. Make us want to know what the outcome is, what the next step towards that outcome is, how challenges were overcome.

    Take us on a journey and lead us toward a destination.

    The music and total lack of ambient sound did nothing to engage us in the trip - indeed it distanced us.

    Avoid dissolves or any ither transition other than straight cuts unless there is good reason to use one.
    Tim

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    Hi, Tim! Thank you for the in-depth reply and the detailed advice, it's very helpful. Just one more question: other than the transitions and picking a different piece of music (ambient sound wasn't really an option, at least not from the footage, since it was mostly wind noise), is there anything I could've done better with the footage at hand? Anything I didn't include was pretty much the same, so is it make-or-break to start with varied and compelling material, or did I simply not find the right way to make it interesting via editing? Thanks!

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    There's lots of scope for additional footage (close ups of parts of the bike, parts of the body, shots of the scenery, shots where you "plant" the camera then ride by) and these would add variety, and might help you when you decide on a structure. Bear that in mind for next time but it doesn't help with what to do with this footage.

    If you are trying to show the two of you on your bike, riding around as a great memory for yourselves, then it's absolutely fine (and I don't mean that in any disparaging way).

    But what are you showing your potential YouTube audience? "This is me riding my bike with some tricky bits" is no different really from "These are my baby's first steps". Of interest to those involved, but not really to anyone else. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but would you find a film of Spielberg walking down to his local shops interesting, no matter how well filmed? I doubt it.

    No, you need a "hook", a reason for the viewer to watch..This does not mean it has to be an epic story, it just needs to focus on something. This could simply be the scenery (show how it changes over the course of the journey, or point out particular items of interest), it could be how the bike coped with different terrains/obstacles, it could be how you and your lady coped with a day on the bike. (Ironically a "simple" story like this can be more difficult to make - or at leats make interesting - than an epic one)

    What is the film about? What are you trying to show? And who is your intended audience? It may be a general audience (ie appeal to as many people as possible, in which case you don't want to get too detailed) or a more specialist audience (trail bikers? touirists?) These are the sorts of questions you need to answer before you try to edit a piece together for an audience other than those involved.

    Consider adding information - by way of a voiceover or captions - if this helps expalin, identify or clarify what we are seeing.

    Ambient sound - agreed, you don't want to include bad audio (especially wind noise), but you can often cheat - use other audio. A few bike noises could really help place the audience in the picture.
    Tim

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    Thank you so much for this, these are some excellent points and I'll definitely keep them in mind next time I film (first of all), and then when I edit. It's immensely useful to get this kind of detailed feedback, half of these things hadn't even occurred to me, and I'm really grateful you took the time to reply. As a side note, not that it makes any sort of difference, I'm the lady . Which actually makes it easier for me to assume my filming duties and capture everything worth capturing, while someone else focuses on the driving.

    If I'm not being overly pushy, could I get your opinion (or anyone else's, of course) on one other film I put together? Obviously, most of the things you said about the other one (if not all) apply to this one as well, but is there anything else I'm doing wrong over here? Two mistakes I'm already aware of are the intrusive color grading and the godawful video compression (I wasn't fully aware of Vimeo optimization algorithms at the time), but other than that, I'm open to any and all critique.

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    Hi Mojave. Firstly - many apologies for making the assumption that you were the guy in the film. Totally unjustified - just because in my world most (but far from all) of the video makers I know are men. I kicked myself when I read your comment.

    Secondly, I've moved your second film to another thread simply because we have a rule in this section of "one video per thread". This only to avoid confusion about which comments refer to which video.

    Thirdly,I'm glad you are taking the comments in the way they are intended rather than taking offense. There's nothing particularly clever or wise in what I've said - they are just thoughts I have gathered over about 12 years involvement in amateur film making - not just making films, but more importantly watching and analyzing films in festivals and competitions, judging and listening to other judges.
    Tim

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    Don't worry about it, no offence taken! I wouldn't even have mentioned it except as a fleeting remark about being able to film while not having to focus on the road (as much).

    And of course, sorry for not reading the sticky before posting.

    As for taking the comments the way they are intended, I *did* ask for critique, it would be silly (not to mention counterproductive) of me to take offence, especially at comments coming from someone with far more experience in the field I'm asking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojave View Post
    it would be silly (not to mention counterproductive) of me to take offence,
    You'd be surprised (or possibly not) at how many do
    Tim

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    Hi Mojave,

    A few points that I found are:
    - The video is too long
    - Music doesn't fit. Imo rap/hip-hop has or tries to have a 'cool' vibe. If people use this kind of music the video has to be totally fitting or be really cool. In combination with the long slowmotion at the beginning were there is not really much going on
    and the scenery not being really spectacular it is a turnoff for me.
    - In conjuction with the above, slowmotion at the beginning has to be way shorter.
    - Imo a motorcross video has to be fast, with fast cuts and a variation of shots, or stabilized, dreamy shots at sunset. The video doesn't seem to aim at a certain style. Try to think up front what atmosphere/style you would like the video to have.
    - Try to make it more interesting by using different environments.

    I know, getting notified is hard, there is a lot of crap on youtube that get watched more that high production stuff which I don't get. Like Tim said, it has all to do with marketing.

    Hope this helps you a bit, we can all use advice/help
    Last edited by Theuniqueview; 05-22-2016 at 06:10 PM.

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    Thank you for the reply, along with what Tim said, these are very good points. I'll definitely keep them in mind and try to make my next ones more focused and planned out. Thanks for taking the time to give feedback, it is indeed very much appreciated!

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