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    Default Ave Maria Music Video work in progress

    This is a 3rd edit of a music video, it still need some fine tuning (video wise) when i get time, but i think it is on the right track....
    Ave Maria - YouTube

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    I very much enjoyed this. I think it's a slightly risky interpretation of a religious song but that's not an issue for me. The only thing I would change would be the shot at 1:04, goes to high up the leg. I did detect a bit of shake in the camera work, was it all shot hand held ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Blue View Post
    I very much enjoyed this. I think it's a slightly risky interpretation of a religious song but that's not an issue for me. The only thing I would change would be the shot at 1:04, goes to high up the leg. I did detect a bit of shake in the camera work, was it all shot hand held ?
    Yes it was all shot by hand... could have done with some kind of Dolly especially for the above (where singer is laying on the floor) shots.
    The section you mention about traveling up the leg... i realized after, that the Pink underwear could be mistaken for something else.

    Generally i am quite please with the concept, but may consider re-shooting once i have the right tools to give me better results.

    Thanks for your comments,
    Ian.

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    I like the idea and it has been well thought out and executed but...

    For me, it was a big mistake to shoot hand-held. It is far too wobbly. Quite a few shots have a "not quite still" moment which doesn't fit with the mood of the music. Also, there is far too much shot from below eye level resulting in a lot of footage looking up the singer's nose.

    As for the pink underwear, I found it all lacking in sensualism. With her arms crossed and in front of her, she looks like she is protecting herself from a pervert and doesn't come across as relaxed. I also suspect that she didn't sing, just mouthed, during the playback.

    So, an excellent concept, nice lighting and it could be something great but needs a fair bit of tweaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rembrandt Rob View Post
    I like the idea and it has been well thought out and executed but...

    As for the pink underwear, I found it all lacking in sensualism. With her arms crossed and in front of her, she looks like she is protecting herself from a pervert and doesn't come across as relaxed. I also suspect that she didn't sing, just mouthed, during the playback.

    So, an excellent concept, nice lighting and it could be something great but needs a fair bit of tweaking.
    Thanks Rob,
    I personally do not feel it would have been acceptable for the singer NOT to have her arms crossed.... or something covering her breasts.
    Of course she is not singing live to the camera (very few soundtracks are recorded live), however.... it is her singing in the recording/soundtrack.

    Regards,
    Ian.

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    I think what Rob means is that she should actually sing along to the back track so it looks more like she is singing and not just mouthing the words on camera. She has a loverly voice by the way.

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    Thank you All for your comments, and i will certainly take them on board for the next production.

    In fairness to Carmelle i would like to point out, Carmelle and I had never met until about three weeks prior to the video shoot.
    At that time it was all about me orchestrating/Recording and producing the Album, a video was not a consideration until the album was completed and i suggested a video for one track on Youtube.
    She is not a Model/Actress and has certainly never had her photo shot in the nude, let alone a video by a virtual total stranger...
    I think she was incredibly brave, to lay on the floor almost naked while I hovered over her with a video camera....

    Thanks again for the helpful comments,
    Ian.

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    I think she was incredibly brave
    I agree. It is to your credit that you made her comfortable enough to go ahead with it.

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    I agree with all Rob & Midnight's points above and what i'm about to say may further illustrate why they're omportant.

    1. I didn't believe she was singing. it is very important that you do believe a singer is singing. It was not just obvious she was miming (although, to be fair to her she was miming very well as one might expectt as it's her on the recording) but the tone she was producing did not look like it could be produced by someone lying down (certainly without taking deeper breaths)

    2. I felt the depiction of her was neither one thing or another - it say awkwardly between purity and sexual teasing. Purity might have worked but for two shots - the one where here underwear is shown and the one where it looks like she's about to reveal a nipple (around 1:50). The first shot (sight of underwear) has a sort of original sin feel about it - "we didn't know we were naked until we were told" sort of thing. The arm nearly revealing a nipple has a sort of striptease feel about it cheapens it. Personally i'd lose both of these (and anything else that can be misconstrued as soft porn)

    I think she was very brave to do this and I think you were too. It must feel very awkward if this is the first time you've done anything around semi naked women, although I guess once you concentrate on the job in hand it ceases to be a distraction. I thought it was a good attempt and you were right to ask "fresh eyes" for other opinions.
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    Don't get me wrong. The idea is great and the video is very good. But...

    The awkwardness and discomfort unfortunately came across in the shooting. The unsteady camerawork showed that the camera operator was nervous. You should have used a crane or a boom or at least a tripod. Also the singer doesn't look comfortable. She should have been allowed to sing out loud, rather than mime (obviously to playback for lip-sync) and the shoot should have been rehearsed and blocked while she was clothed. Her actions and nervousness make her look like a "victim" which is not a comfortable look for this video.
    She (in my opinion) should either be flirting and sexy, a complete opposite to "Maria" or she should be innocent, naive and open. Unfortunately she was neither. That's all down to the way she was fighting to avoid showing anything she shouldn't.

    Let's dispel a myth. Working with semi-clothed or naked actors shouldn't be a problem.

    Really.

    It's all about attitude and respect. Especially with someone unused to getting their kit off. Firstly get rid of ALL members of the opposite sex from the set unless they are absolutely necessary. However, have at least one woman on set, in view at all times. Make-up or wardrobe will suffice. Get them to adjust any clothing etc. Never touch the talent yourself.
    If a male director or producer decides that he absolutely has to be there, give him a monitor and push him off into a side room. Nobody should be on set unless they are technicians absolutely essential to creating something at that time.

    Secondly, if you don't want nipples in shot, get wardrobe to stick a bit of surgical tape over them. Dunno why it works but actresses are then a lot more relaxed. Probably because they know that there's no way one of their raspberries is going to end up in shot. In the same way, if the underwear isn't in shot, get them to wear comfortable M&S flesh knickers or a bikini bottom.

    Then... don't make jokes. It doesn't "break the ice", it just sounds unprofessional. In other words... Treat the job seriously. Don't try and make the actress feel comfortable, it nearly always has the opposite effect. Just work normally and within a few minutes the lack of clothing no longer becomes an issue.

    Edit: Finally, the video's success depends on the message sent by the singer. It's all about how the viewer perceives the situation. Is she a Madonna or a Magdalena?

    In other words she has to act the role she wants to portray. A warning though... It's no good saying "she's a singer, not an actress" as performance ability is (or should be) part of a singer's repertoire.
    Last edited by Rembrandt Rob; 02-19-2013 at 06:07 PM.

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