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    Made this little clip during our tropical Xmas trip....



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    I think flowers make a great subject for close up photography and you have made a great job capturing them.

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    I saw the title and thought "boring". Then i saw who'd made it so I thought I'd give it a look.
    All that does is remind me that that no matter how neutral I try to be, I will approach a video with a certain amount of bias if I know the maker's reputation.

    Very well shot (as we've come to expect). A superb choice of music (which we've come to expect).
    I'm glad we glad the rain sequence in there as otherwise the fact that it was video added nothing.
    I didn't like the fades to black - I do like the idea - the "episodic" nature - but the black just seemed to make it too disjointed. However I do not have any ideas about wht else you could have used - might be worth a discussion.

    I did like the very quick dissolves. Whilst my default position is to use straight cuts, I think there are many times where a three frame dissolve just takes the harshness off it and this is a good example. i also liked the fact that you mixed in one or two slightly longer dissolves and every cut and dissolve was "phrased" perfectly with the music.

    I think I would have liked the sound of the rain to have faded in a little earlier, before the musical phrase. The picture, music and the new aspect of the ambient all coming in together just felt a bit sudden. If you'd introduced the rain half a second earlier, (over the black, he said, contradicting his earlier positiion) it would have introduced the new element without any distraction and addded an element of anticipation. I also thought that cutting it as you did was a little harsh and a longer fade out would have been preferable.

    Having introduced the rain sound, the later shot which also had rainfall stood out because it did not have ambient.

    Once again I find myself unable to find anything wrong to comment on and the above thoughts are really just aesthetics. Your films often take me to thoughts of higher things. When editing my own, I'm just wondering whether the foucus on that this or that shot was good enough to get away with!
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    Wow. Im REALLy glad to know that you wanted to watch it because I made it !! Im honoured Tim! Really! The "tropcal flowers" in the title was a sentence of death (by boredon"ess") for sure!!! But I must say this (the title) was a bit intentional here in the forum - the "always warn your friends principle"

    Well, there I was, driving 300km to get to a VERY hot beach (temperature, not sexy girls in bikinis, sorry)... Camera, small tripod, bikes, children.... (in order of importance, you guessed it right!). BUT, nothing in mind to film.... It was so hot under the sun that all I wanted to film should be from a decent distance from the big covered terrace of the house.... Yes, the garden, again and again.... And, thanks to sound effects in Vegas, you couldnt hear the air conditioner plugged into my neck 24h a day...

    As you pointed, the raining day sequence saved the usually super-boring subject.... Some extra sound and movement at least. And youre right: the first shot of the last sequence still show some rain, but without rain sound.... didnt fit! Maybe wet plants without rain to pretend some weather transition???

    I liked the episodic aspect.... another way to give movement to motionless plants. It came to mind with the music. And I must admit that I didnt think about any alternative to the black empty space.... But now I will. Would love to discuss alternatives.


    "Your films often take me to thoughts of higher things."


    A couple more of these and Ill let my hair grow, buy a RED Scarlet and sign in for a cinema school in New York!!!!!

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    might be worth a discussion
    As I see it we have three options. Straight cut. Fade to black or dissolve (long or short). Anything else would seem like armature hour. I've used the fade to black before when I thought it suited the music and in this case I thought it did my one possible question would be is it ok to use it more than once ? If not what would be right ?

    Perhaps some sort of inventive Easy Rider (which I don't like) type of transition but that would not suite the mood of this piece. OR may be a sweep of the camera to the next shot, no that wouldn't work either. I have to say I can't, at the moment think of a better alternative to what Tony chose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Blue View Post
    As I see it we have three options. Straight cut. Fade to black or dissolve (long or short).
    Well, there's a whole gamut of other colours for a start. Fade through white can be good.
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    Anything else would seem like armature hour.
    How about some of those specialised dissolves - I'm thinking maybe dissolving via luminance (check out Light Blends by New Blue FX) or possibly a motion type bblend.
    Howvever i'm not sure either would work in this case. I don't think the film wants to "blend" or dissolve from one sectio to the next. The episodes need a definite beginning and an end - I just find the blacks a bit too much.
    As it's so short and simple, this may be a good one to keep on the timeline and experiment with different transitions from time to time.
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    Hi MB!

    Guess I didnt fade to black more than once.... I faded to music more than once!!! The problem there was that the music intervals were too marked, and long.


    I didn't like the fades to black - I do like the idea - the "episodic" nature - but the black just seemed to make it too disjointed. However I do not have any ideas about wht else you could have used - might be worth a discussion.




    Since the subject was not really interesting, the editing followed the music (because of the intervals). Then....what to do during the music intervals??? That is the question, right?

    1) black
    2) keep the fading a bit longer and merge to the next image quickly?
    3) pictures of Santa Claus to remember the season?

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    Yes, I guess fade through Santa is the only option.

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    Well, small changes now..... mostly at the end/rain part. Posted this one at YouTube. Please set 720 or 1080 res to compare to Vimeo version (720)

    Tim, please check the rain. Not sure if keeping it..... (sorry, please watch it first).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Blue View Post
    Yes, I guess fade through Santa is the only option.
    Please dont make me try it!!!

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