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    I feel this is a important must watch video with a warning to all of us. In this video you will witness a trainspotter detained for using his video equipment at a US light rail station. It's a important video to watch and carefully listen to as the argument of why this person is detained is defined and the way he defends himself while being detained.



    This is not my video but I feel it is essential viewing if you have ever ventured outside to enjoy a bit of your camera craft in public places. If your ever planning a trip to the USA you may get some insight into the sorts of issues which are the ripple on effect of 9/11.

    In a country of so called freedom and liberty I find this video very alarming. I hope this video can sit here as I could not find a home for it in the forums.
    I know nothing about youtube, even less about video
    http://www.youtube.com/user/leokimvideo

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    Unfortunately this type of situation is not a surprise to me. It occurse in the UK a lot. Mostly in London.

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    I admire the guy for keeping his cool so well whilst sticking up for his rights. I'm glad there are people like that.
    However, had it been me, I'd have simply showed them my ID and I'd almost certainly not have been harassed any further and if I had been harrassed further I'd simply have packed up and moved on. I may well have followd that up with a polite letter of complaint, but doubt it would have done me any good other than make me feel better.

    When it comes down to it, these police are paid to protect the public and to uphold laws which they cannot possibly know inside out. If they see something they think might be suspiscious, they're going to question it. If they are met with resistance, that is bound to make them more suspicious. Where they failed here was in thinking they knew the law rather than checking, and by the time they did establish they were wrong, they were in oo deep and didnt want to lose face.
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    Where they failed here was in thinking they knew the law rather than checking, and by the time they did establish they were wrong, they were in oo deep and didnt want to lose face.
    If that was the case then why did they follow him to another station and then detain him further even though he had packed away his camera. (see part 2) To me this is a gross lack of correct training and an instillation in the officers that everyone is a potential "terrorist". This then causes these ridiculous situations where totally innocent people are questioned, which is a violation of privacy rights and which bring about an alienation from the police by the average citizen. A kind of us and them situation is brought about which is totally unhealthy for all concerned. This is not just an American issue, it is world wide. Our civil rights are being slowly eroded away. In the UK the EU has taken over all but a few of the laws and political policy we live under. These "Unions" are also being created in other parts of the world, The North American Union, African Union, Pacific Union. These centralised government are, as I see it a slippery road to tyranny.

    End of Rant.

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    It's important not to lose perspective; this is one incident of thousands of cases. In the vast majority of cases, tourists and casual fillers are free to film as they wish. Censationalising one incident can cause undesired consequences - in this case, there is a danger that a confrontation is perceived as the norm. It isn't.

    As a hobbyist, it's unlikely you'll ever run into problems. As a hobbyist working in a sensitive area, you are more likely to be asked why you're filming. As a film crew, you'll probably be asked to stop on more than one occasion.

    These incidents happen. The police are people; some people aren't always in the right job. My advice to anyone is to know your rights and stay calm. If you feel your rights are being violated, it's easier to explain whilst calm.if that means stopping filming for a few minutes, mg advice is to do just that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Blue View Post
    These "Unions" are also being created in other parts of the world, The North American Union, African Union, Pacific Union. These centralised government are, as I see it a slippery road to tyranny.
    History is littered with "centralised governments". In the past, we'd probably have called them empires or dynasties. In certain ages (and perhaps countries), your rights would have been limited, yet pervesely your actions unchecked (no rights, but little in the way protection from abuse). The law is there to enforce those rights, and protect you (some one say to protect your "property" and maintain order in an otherwise lawless society, but that a different story).

    Bottom line: you notice your rights, or more importantly an abuse of rights, because those rights have been granted. I see the world very differently from both yourself and Leo. I'm able to state that on an open forum. Isn't that fantastic? We're having a debate over whether our civil libities are being eroded. How lucky are we? Of course, it would be easy to sit back and assume this status quo will remain, but because not everyone's the same, there are those that constantly push for me. The rare few that help push and extend our rights and our freedoms.

    Have we reached the pinnacle of such freedoms? To me, perhaps. I work in an industry were equality and discremination and key parts of legislation. So much so that euquality is now actually discriminatory (for example although women live longer than men (on average), the same age based early retirement reductions should be used - which then favours women).

    As I previously stated, being asked to stop filming isn't the norm. Don't let one incident panic you into expecting confrontation. However, learn from this chaps experience in your own way. Make up your own mind. Which, in this wonderful world some of use have been lucky enough to live in, is a choice we have. Fantastic, isn't it?

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    Yes, it is great that we still have the right to discuss the erosion of our liberties. BUT if we don't really kick up a fuss about those liberties being eroded then they will take them away bit buy bit. A free society is a lot harder to control, so they take them away, a little bit here and a little bit there.

    First they came for the videographers, and I did not speak out --
    Because I was not a videographer.

    Then they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
    Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.

    I work in an industry were equality and discremination and key parts of legislation.
    Political correctness is very different to inalienable rights, equality should also include freedom of choice. These are not something that are given to us, they are god given freedoms which no man can take off you, and "they" know this, so they use deception to fool us into thinking we still live in a free country. The EU form of Napoleonic style of Laws is morally wrong. For those who don't know what I'm rambling on about, let me try and explain.

    In the UK the law use to be: You can do anything you want so long as there isn't a law against doing it, the restrictions where only based around the "Do no harm to others or there property" usually known as Common Law. BUT now because we are part of the EU and we have an "equalisation of laws", we work on the principle of: You can only do something if we say you can.

    I think I've ranted on enough.

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    This is all sensible. But I always like to put things in context. If all of us here had a story to tell, I'd be worried. Fact is, I've never been asked to stop filming - either by the public, an employee, an official or the police. I've filmed in a whole variety of places, both in the UK and abroad. When I filmed in a Vegas casino, I simply asked if I could. They told me where I could and couldn't film. If I'd assumed I could film, I probably would have been thrown out of the casino.

    • Be sensible.
    • Ask if you're unsure.
    • Be aware of your rights.

    I would do exactly the same as Tim. Personally, I would stop filming if asked.

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    I've only been asked to stop filming one but that was at a train station which is technically private property, so that's fair enough. My point is that if we do not speak out while we can, one day it will be to late, as we won't have the luxury to speak out.

    May be I've hanging around the wrong YouTube channels recently.

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    How did I guess someone would manage drag the EU into this, which, incidentally, is nothing to do with the EU!

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