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    Thought I would post it to see what you think, the first 30 seconds are terrible. Saw a limo coming down the drive and I asked is this the bride and was told it was for another wedding so I set up to go indoors then turned out it was her so the colour is well off and was struggling to position my self anywhere, plus the driver made her go under his arm for some reason.
    offered to do the night time party and shot it with a dodgy tape so it constantly cut out, 60 minutes was split into about 200 parts. Also I asked about the lighting and they said they would leave it as it was which was fine, but then DJ came and turned it right down. Its on my youtube page if you care to look. All shot with XH-A1


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    Ok. You've posted this in the Wedding and Event section and asked for opinions so here's mine...

    I seriously hope you're not charging money for this - please tell me you've done it free for a friend or something.... If you charged money for this you need to seriously consider your career choice.

    As wedding videos go it's one of the worst I've seen this year. You've admitted yourself the first 30 seconds is dreadful - and it truly is.

    The white balance issue itself is bad enough (why didn't you try and fix that in post???) - but the camera wanders in and out of framing and then in the fade out seems to whizz away to one side....

    When the Groom arrives - you put him suddenly into slow motion.... I'd have followed him with the camera rather than as it seems happening to catch him by chance.... and trying to cover it up later.

    In the ceremony as the bridesmaids and then bride is walking in the camera isn't level. Take the time to level your tripod for goodness sake!

    You seem to be fighting with the stills photographer for space - you ought to be working WITH him (or her) to establish the places where you won't be competeing for shots.

    The scene of the ceremony with its fade throughs achieves nothing at all. Except to demonstrate that you only had one camera. Also peculiar is the lack of sound - no vows - not even the applause when they were finally married...

    As the bride and grrom walk away past the front of the hotel - see where the photographer is? That's roughly where you should have been.

    The groomsmen outside - You clearly just missed whatever was happening as they're just walking away....

    The shots of the Bride and Groom are just wobbly and unacceptable by todays standards.

    We see the cake - but not them cutting it?

    In short I think you've made a real hash of the entire thing and I'm surprised you think it's even a good idea to post it online.
    All those excuses you list in your post don't mean a jot to couples who expect a proper record of their day.

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    I'd say leave the zoom button alone and get a tripod. I see from your website that you offer to do this for money. If the samples are the only wedding you've got to show I'd suggest that you do a few more for free or as a second cameraman to get a feel for how the day unfolds before you start to charge.

    Whilst it's nice to be helpful and polite to posters it is of no benefit if they are not able to take criticism and sometimes you have to say it as you see it. It's not as if we have been routing around and found this work and dragged it out for comment, the poster put to out here for feedback. This may not be what the poster would like to hear but it's no use being blinkered about work, you can send work out with a sheet of excuses for the bad shots but what sort of impression is that going to make, pretty much the one that is on here. It's no use blaming the chauffeur or the DJ or your second cameraman as someone else has, for shots you don't have or that are wrong.
    I'm sure many of us have battled for years to loose the 'You've Been Framed' tag. I'm not immune to things going wrong on the day, but the shots on this sample are ones that I've have discarded or at least cut a lot tighter. Far from saying that this has to be the work that will promote a professional wedding service, I'd suggest spending a lot more time looking at what is being offered and maybe think again. The industry is plagued by people who think that turning up with a camcorder is enough and that couples will be happy so long as something is produced.

    Please remember that these comments are not a personal attack they are based on the work as I see it which is being offered as a professional service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomTom View Post
    Please remember that these comments are not a personal attack they are based on the work as I see it which is being offered as a professional service.
    Ditto me on that....

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    No I didn't charge for this and I'm doing another 3 this year for friends and family which I'm not charging for. I know its pretty obvious I'm using one camera but I can only spend so much when I'm not charging anything and am just doing it to get the experience under my belt, if I didn't shoot/edit it they would of had a video at all. I had a million things going through my mind as it was and the next one I will be a lot more prepared. Also the bride and groom were in the same building getting there photos done at the same time so I needed to dart between them to get some pre wedding shots.
    Anyway

    for my next wedding a plan to
    plan better with pre wedding shots - time with bride/groom and guests
    I've got a multi rig to get steadier shots
    Improve positioning with photographer
    Nothing I can do about having one camera

    As for the website, I haven't done any promotion people have been asking me to do there wedding based solely on that first video and I cant do them all for free, and looking at the market the price I've put on is at the lower end.

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    I understand all of your response.
    The reason that I was so firm with my comments is that you do promote a website on that video which is in the public domain and that site does offer services with a price. As far as people are concerned that is a business transaction and despite the fact that you have pitched you 'promotion' price at the lower end there will still be an expectation of quality. I don't think that many people look at a website and think that this is lower end of the market we won't expect much from it. I don't think many brides would be too understanding if to have to tell them that you missed and important part of the day but don't worry, you weren't paying all that much for it anyway. That of course is your own business but my comments are from the wider industry view that I think many on here may share, that of poorly executed work promoting itself as professional only brings the whole business in to disrepute. There was an example of that quite recently; it was reported on this site as well as in the national newspapers.
    Last edited by ThomTom; 06-04-2011 at 05:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zjayz View Post
    ..for my next wedding a plan to...
    Excellent. As long as you take on board the pointers and tips that people offer you from their own experience, you'll soon be doing a better job.

    Refreshing to get a response that doesn't take umbridge at the critique. I was harsh - too harsh some would say, but you really need to hear those words Im afraid. If you don't - you'll never improve.

    ThomThom is bang on the money with his sentiments about the wedding video business as a whole.

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    I know the example of which you were talking about as it happened the week before I shot this and I take all your comments on board but you what I've done doesn't compare to what that guy did. As well as that video they got an edited video of the first dance, night time party, a video of the entire day including the ceremony (with sound), signing, speeches, all with menu's and chapters. I'm not selling my self as something I'm not to anyone they all know I'm just staring out and they can see what I've done previously on the website and im happy to show them previous work.

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    I was going to leave this thread but maybe as a last though I'll leave this analogy.

    I think of myself as a good cook, my family like my cooking, my friends (say they) like my cooking but would I open a restaurant - no way. At least not without proper training and experience. The expectations of paying customers is so much greater than those close to you who will be forgiving of the odd burnt or undercooked dish. Okay so you won't poison anyone with a bad video but by the same token a restaurateur doesn't have to re-appear a couple of weeks later to explain that he forgot to turn the oven on, or his sous chief put sugar in a dish instead of salt.

    Video seems to be an area where the boundaries of enthusiasm and commercialism can be crossed so easily. Crossing that line should be considered very seriously and anything that helps that transition should be valued. If the only feedback you get is from those who only want to give good reviews it will come as quite a shock when a paying customer questions the quality of work.

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    I know exactly what your saying and I am considering everything very seriously. Saying that its my, first video, first time using the editing software, and first time using the camera in a pressured situation using only manual settings, so I'm not going to give up after one video. I WAS pleased with my first attempt and am glad I posted it here for you to tear apart as before yesterday I wouldn't of put as much thought (if any) into the points that Andy and ThomTom put across, due to all other (unprofessional) feedback being very positive. Everything you said is correct (zoom especially) although in the ceremony there's not much else I can do with one camera plus i'm not allowed to move, i could use some stills from the photographer I suppose? I'm doing another one at the end of the month and I'm happy to post that as well.

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