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    Default so, whos a member of a video club ?

    no, not the sort you hire films from ... do they still exist ? i mean your local cine/video/film making club. been considering joining my local one ! their website isn't up to much and there doesn't seem toi be much info about the club on the net. however, they do seem to have some interesting "events" scheduled for the coming months so im going to pop along on thursday.

    anyone a meber of such a club ?
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    I'm a member of the IOV which isn't exactly a local video club but they do have local meetings once a month with interesting topics. I try to get to them when I can but they are usually over in Leeds which is 25-30 miles away from me.

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    The main body for amateur video in the UK is the IAC - the Film & Video Institute (I think "Institute of Amateur Cinematographers" got sidelines a while back but the initials remain). See here Introduction to great movie and A-V making
    Most clubs are affiliated.
    The IAC is split into seven regions and there are competitions held nationally (in particular BIAFF) and regionally.

    I have belonged to Staines Ciné & Video Society (the archaic name is changing next seaon, but I'm not at liberty to disclose the new one). Staines Ciné & Video Society - Homepage

    If you look at the site you'll see photos of lots of old people, I turn 50 next month and I'm the youngest member (we did have someone in his 30s for a couple of years but he not only left the club but left the country).

    This demographic is fairly typical of all the clubs that I've visited and it's a Catch 22 situation. We all want to attract younger members, but without younger members it's very difficult.

    I think this stems from the fact that traditionally film-making, in the days of ciné in particular is a very time consuming and costly business. Who has the time on their hands? Answer: retired people.

    Of course today the cost of entry is far lower and digital media and fast computers mean films can be edited together in far less time than in the days of yore, but I think we have a way to go before we shift the inertia of 90 odd years of cine.

    It would also be quite difficult for someone making a hip-hop music video (for example) to get a great deal of sensible feedback from a bunch of old fogies. It's the wrong audince. But, of course, it's not going to be the right audience until lots of hip-hop movie makers join. Chicken and egg again.

    Howver, I dont think any of the work you've shown us so far is likely to alienate the over 80s!

    This is not to say there aren't young filmmakers in clubs, it's just they're the exception rather than the rule.

    Having got the negatives out of the way, there's much to be gained.

    For a start, most of us don't have any other opportunity to air our films on a big screen in front of fellow enthusiasts.

    Like posting in the User Vids section here, you'll get feedback from a whole bunch of people who wouldn't otherwise have fed back.

    There are also internal club competitions: see how your films square up before sending them off to national comps.

    If your club has public movie shows and one of your films gets chosen to be shown, you reach another audience. Ditto if one of your films is chosen to represent the club in an inter club/regional/national competition.

    Because the clubs have some sort of recognised status, they will often get top class speakers: Only last week we had the production designer from Aardman Films (Wallace & Grommit) chat about his work.

    There are normally one or two geeks who will be only too happy to show off their technical knowledge by helping out with kit/computer related problems.

    You'll almost certainly get involved in working on group projects: I find this aspect very useful, if you're constrained timewise, you might just get involved for a couple of hours on a shoot, if you have bags of time you might direct or edit. These are the sorts of things where you can really learn about what works and what doesn't.

    You will also make contacts. Most people will be delighted to act as second cameraman or sound man for you on a shoot. They might also be only to happy to lend you equipment that you'd otherwise have to hire or do without.

    Let's not forget that you'll also get to see films of varying quality. Some will be absolutely fantastic and either inspire you or make you want to give up. Others will make you wonder why they were even brought along. You'll also no doubt get to see showreels showcasing the some best of films from other clubs and possibly BIAFF winners

    It usually costs very little. Unless it really doesn't suit you, you'll find, like all these things, you get out of it what you put in.

    You'll almost certainly be welcomed with open arms. And whilst many of the people are "of an age" bear in mind the fact that they are out at clubs and making films rather than sitting at home and are therefore the from the more dynamic part of the older generation.

    It's not going to cost you much time to take a look. Let us know how you get on on Thursday.
    Tim

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    The Club is affiliated to the IAC (its the Bolton club) website here .... Bolton MovieMakers

    maybe i was being a bit unkind saying the website wasnt up to much its just that I would expect a club specialising in video/film making to have some whizz bang streaming videos not quicktime wake me up when you've loaded .... maybe thats just me

    I emailed the club secretary and received a prompt reply inviting me down and to bring my camera if i felt like joining in... seem a friendly bunch

    They meet every other Thursday so that shouldnt be a problem.

    you make some intersting points there Tim, and i guess it would be usefull to gain a second camera/sound man and maybe get oppurtuity to work on other peoples efforts.

    edit: BTW, when do we get to see "The Great Director " ?

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    Like most amateur clubs, it will be run on a shoestring. Streaming costs money - not necessarily the facility to do it, but you can rapidly run up your bandwidth allowance. We took the view that we'd just embed YouTube so we don't take the hit. (We don't have many up there at the moment - me being the only member who puts his films on YouTube - and they're hidden away pending a site redesign to go along with the name change).

    As for "The Great Director", it's entered into BIAFF and so we won't be putting it on YT until after that (April, I think). This is not a tease to get people's expectations up. Stand by to be disappointed.

    But, in case you haven't seen it, my first endeavour with a group video was in 2007 and it's here http://www.videoforums.co.uk/user-vi...ory-video.html
    It was my concept, the main writer, director and editor (I didn't realise then that whilst everybody wanted to be involved, no-one wanted to be responsible!). Even if you don't watch the film there are some interesting comments about cine clubs in the thread.
    Tim

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    When I was writing for "Camcorder User" and the other mags I used to attend amateur clubs regularly to get an idea about what was going on. I always got a friendly reception and a warm welcome. The average age does tend to be a bit older but, as a result, you don't have a load of teenagers full of ideas which never come to fruition.

    If there was a club in West Cornwall I'd join it without hesitation.

    (but I'm buggered if I'll go to the effort of setting one up!)

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    Does this mean you've moved back to the UK Rob ?

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    Maybe it's different in the USA, but there are tons of groups you can join here if you live near any big city. There are also tons of film festivals, and you can make a lot of connections at those.

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    Well that was great ! tonight's subject was how to record an interview. all members filmed the interview (bout 20 cameras) and one chap recorded close mic audio which will be made available to everyone to edit with their footage. seem a really friendly bunch.... i'll definitely be going back

    Oh yeah, there as someone there younger than me

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    Excellent!
    What's the intention? All of you (or those who want to) edit an interview together and show and compare/contrast?
    Tim

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