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    Cool Old Growth Red Maple Video

    This is a check up video I did to get some advice from people over on ArbosristSite. Not using any manual settings or even setting my white balance, no lens hood or nothing. However it is full 1920x1080HD




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    Well you have posted it in the user videos section so you must be wanting feedback on how it can be improved?

    The first thing to consider is what is the intention of the film? I am assuming your shot the footage to show to a tree specialist to gain feedback on the helath of the tree ? At least I hope that was the intention

    Ok, if that is the case, why bother with the music ? You could have just been commenting on your own observations and asking questions of the expert.

    I can't say I am a fan of the track you have chosen but then again each to their own tastes on that one. For a non tree enthusiast the film is too long, and even for an enthusiast I still think it may be too long

    Anyway. Nice tree Please do tell what sort of feedback you are after as I am intrigued now.

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    5 mins of tree bark doesn't hold my interest. Music was a badly recorded and didn't fit the images. Transitions were amateurish. Could do with a voice over or something to explain what the purpose of the movie is.

    I know you are new to film making so I would recommend doing some study on the subject and keep practising. Don't put your attention on pointless matters like lens caps etc. When you are at this stage of film making.

    Study and practise with what you've got is the best advice I can give you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrimpfarmer View Post
    Well you have posted it in the user videos section so you must be wanting feedback on how it can be improved?

    The first thing to consider is what is the intention of the film? I am assuming your shot the footage to show to a tree specialist to gain feedback on the helath of the tree ? At least I hope that was the intention

    Ok, if that is the case, why bother with the music ? You could have just been commenting on your own observations and asking questions of the expert.

    I can't say I am a fan of the track you have chosen but then again each to their own tastes on that one. For a non tree enthusiast the film is too long, and even for an enthusiast I still think it may be too long

    Anyway. Nice tree Please do tell what sort of feedback you are after as I am intrigued now.
    Your right on its a diagnostics update after some work I've done to save it for Arborist to view. Nothing meant to be a "production"

    You have a very valid point with the music, I just cant stand silence. I also do not like my voice I'm a mobile DJ and I do not do announcements so voice over is not really an option. I'm on a forum just like this discussing the tree. Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Blue View Post
    5 mins of tree bark doesn't hold my interest. Music was a badly recorded and didn't fit the images. Transitions were amateurish. Could do with a voice over or something to explain what the purpose of the movie is.

    I know you are new to film making so I would recommend doing some study on the subject and keep practising. Don't put your attention on pointless matters like lens caps etc. When you are at this stage of film making.

    Study and practise with what you've got is the best advice I can give you.
    Yeah just as Shrimpfarmer stated its a diagnostic video for Arbosrist (tree people) I wasn't going for "entertainment". Once again I do not like doing voice overs and what do you mean what would YOU have used for transitions? The audio is a local band so I have nothing to do with their recordings I rendered in the highest audio settings possible. Its better than copyrighted material but I'm sure you will say nothing is better than that...
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    Another video of the other tree in slightly better quality, however on an overcasted day so I think that is why my colors are all washed out? I still have music (personal opinion) but added some background noise (a repeated track). I had to use transitions like the flip card because the white balance was too offset for a smooth fade. Here's a screen shot from the editing process:



    Anyway.. here's the video:

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkFloydEffect View Post
    what do you mean what would YOU have used for transitions? The audio is a local band so I have nothing to do with their recordings I rendered in the highest audio settings possible. Its better than copyrighted material but I'm sure you will say nothing is better than that...
    Don't use any transitions use straight cuts. or if needed/wanted fades. The initial recording was poor so I wouldn't have used it. It's not that your rendering was wrong.

    As you say it's better than using copyrighted material, NOT, if it's really badly recorded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Blue View Post
    Don't use any transitions use straight cuts. or if needed/wanted fades. The initial recording was poor so I wouldn't have used it. It's not that your rendering was wrong.

    As you say it's better than using copyrighted material, NOT, if it's really badly recorded.
    Oh, I'll admit the initial recording is poor and I think it is due to lighting (first clip is a totally different day)

    And yeah I guess so... what about this one? Better fitted music at a better quality? The use of background noise to make a more "like there" feeling. Horribly rushed footage thou.
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    I appreciate this has moved on somewhat, but I'd like to add my comments about the music in the first version (somewhat OT, admittedly). It certainly didn't fit the video, but I think it's taken some unfair stick.

    I don't know about poorly recorded. It sounded to me like it was quite a good effort at a "live" recording - the big problem being the natural reverb (especially noticable on the kit) and the poorly mixed vocals. It had a sort of "Spin Doctors" feel to it.

    Apart from the vocals, and the intro of the drums I thought it was well executed. I really liked the guitar sound and the main riff. The whole groove of the extended playout was great and the guitar solo built gradually and was a real nod to the sort of stuff I used to love in the seventies.

    The vocals as well as the vocal melody were the weak points for me.
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    I am still confused over these videos as to what audience need they are trying to address. If its to document the health of the tree, then rushed video is not really doing it justice. So first thing to improve upon is invest the right level of time to capture good footage.

    Next, decide what each shot you take is intended to show. The latest film has some hosepiping going on, i.e. you pan one way then back again like you would with a hose watering the garden. Before you press the record button, think about the shot you want. Every shot has a purpose, each cut you make in your video should show new information. If you record with that in mind you will have much better footage when you come to edit it.

    Next, lets see some ultra closeups of the tree, its buds, bark, insects, moss etc, etc. Maybe include some shots of the environment the tree has to cope with.

    Something that could be interesting to try would be to take the camera up the tree. How about getting a cheapo crossbow, bow and arrow. Shoot some fishing line over one of the taller branches. Tie your camera to the line and whilst its recording slowly hoist up to the canopy. Its going to twist around as it climbs and may give you some interesting footage.

    The music is a big improvement on the last track but Midnight is right when he says drop the fancy transitions. On this type of project all you need are cuts and fades.

    I wait with baited breath for the next offering



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    Timmy, I'm not knocking the song. Just the quality of the recording was poor. It's like standing at the back of the room with a cheap cassette recorder. And why have it at all for the purpose of the video it would have been better with just ambient sound.

    I know I was harsh but Pinky but I thought he needed it. So perhaps he would discipline his mind on the right thing in stead of trivia like lens the importance of hoods etc..

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