I am new to the forum; I have been reading some of your posts, it has made very interesting reading. I have not found a post on the Xeon Vs i7 and I have done a number of searches, have read some interesting stuff though. Nothing is really tackling the issue from my perspective
I am an Ex PC system builder and it is the first time I am tackling the issues of video editing for a long while. I am a little out of date and unable to make on the fly decisions; that I used to make. I am building a Video Editing PC, with a direction that possibly and most probable not meet your requirements.
I plan to use Adobe Premiere CS3; I might upgrade to CS4 at some point. I know that this isn’t a professional broadcast grade setup, more like your wedding videographer.
I am not even a professional or semi pro for that matter I am wanting a setup that will serve me well; let’s say a semi pro capacity. I want stability within the platform and I don’t mind waiting for render (its not as if am in a professional hurry).
But rendering on the fly might be an issue and is something I don’t have experience with, as yet. Oh forgot to mentioned that I want to allow for editing in HD as well, at the moment I don't have a need.
I believe the root to a good system is a great motherboard balanced with the CPU and Memory. Remember that the memory is expandable and the processor you always can pop in a new one at a later date (providing the board can take it). Over the years with my PC’s I just upgraded and relegated them. So a system is how you flow, do you want to upgrade or run it into the ground. I like flexibility, with the knowledge that technology changes (FAST). I believe that getting the motherboard, cpu and memory right is most fundamental part of the system, as mentioned before. Every thing else is secondary.
One factor; video editing machines have been closely linked with gaming PC’s, just for the raw power aspect. Which leads me into the video card debate (hey that’s fun! on here lol). I know the gaming side very well, but coming from a video editing standpoint, I am unsure. As I don’t have the kit; I used to have to make tests, so I have to rely on popular opinion. So here I have a question; how much does video editing rely on the processing power of the Video Card (GPU) and could be related to the software I am using. I have read that a basic card will do, and from my view point at the moment I agree. So opinions and suggestion of cards would be great, 2x please one to get me going, and one I should put in, in 6 months time (Budget restrictions at moment -get the core machine right first).
Now that you know the direction I am in, the system doesn’t have to be cracking and state of the art; has to be functional though. Below I have put 2 partial systems together; I am on a low budget; as most people and its for meee!
OK, back to the thread Xeon Vs i7 what would you choose with a limited budget and with the background I have explained.
I like the Xeon; because of the 12MB L2 cache, those geeky people out there will know why. The i7 has 8MB L2 cache. Logic dictates that the Xeon through put will be faster then the i7 given that the GHz speeds are the same. The Xeon doesn’t have hyper-threading technology where as the i7 does. And really that is where the debate is ‘HT Technology’
OK system one: Xeon:
2X - Intel Xeon X3360 Quad Core CPU
2.83GHz 12288KB (L2 Cache) (L3 Cache) Bus Speed - 1333MHz Socket - LGA775 Package - 775-pin LGA Technology - 45nm Bus/Core Ratio - 8.5 Voltage Core - 0.962V-1.237V Thermal Guideline - 95W Thermal Spec - 71°C Form Factor – CPU
Intel S5000VSASATAR Server Board Dual Core Xeon
Supported Processors - Intel Xeon processors based on 45nm technology
Socket - LGA771/Socket 771
Maximum Bus Speed - 1333MHz
RAID Supported - Yes RAID 0, 1, 10 with optional AXXRAKSW5 for RAID 5
SATA Supported - Yes Intel 6321ESB SATA Controller
IDE/EIDE Supported - Yes
VGA Port - 1
Graphics Adaptor - Yes 16MB DDR SDRAM
Maximum Memory - 16GB 533/667MHz DDR2 (ECC)
Memory Slot - 8 x DIMMSlots
Memory: 4GB High End DDR2 667 MHz Server Grade to start with, will upgrade later.
System Two: i7 Intel Core i7-920 D0 Stepping CPU (nice one to overclock, ooh naughty)
Processor - Intel Core i7 ( 920) 2.66GHz 4.80 GT/s 8192KB (L3 Cache) Package - LGA1366 Architecture - 64-bit Technology - 45nm Core Stepping - D0 Bus/Core Ratio - 20 Voltage Core - 0.80V - 1.375V Thermal Guideline - 130W Form Factor - CPU
Asus Rampage II Extreme ATX i7 Motherboard
Intel Socket 1366, 6.4GTs QPI
Intel X58 Chipset, SLi and Crossfire Support
Up To 24GB of 1066/1333MHz DDR3 Memory
x3 PCI-e x16, x1 PCI-e x1, and x1 PCI Slot
x6 USB 2.0 Ports, x7 SATA II Ports, RAID
7.1 X-Fi Sound Card, 10/100/1000 Ethernet
Memory: 4GB High End 1333MHz DDR3 Matched Pairs to start with, will upgrade later (If things were equal, better performance in banks of threes)
Thanks Tim (read below) for making me think of others viewing
That’s the 2 partial systems which I have my eye on, lots of pro’s and cons. As you can see the memory speed is a lot slower on the Xeon system then the i7. The i7 because of the HT technology and the comment I am about to make is what I have read so far (you might know different). With the use of HT the processor is seen by the OS as 8 cores. Sorry I cannot provide the link as I have forgotten the reference site. Oh let me check Intel’s site (horses mouth) this is talking about threads and I think this is open to interpretation, feel free to comment.
Intel Core i7 Processor
And granted there is a slight (haha, MMmm) difference in processor speeds, this is what I can get my hands on today. I can build these systems for more or less the same amount of money. But I feel that I am getting more bang for my buck with the i7 with the newer technology. The Xeon however I would feel more secure and have the feeling of a more stable machine. So here I am debating which to go for, as I have no experience in video editing. Perhaps you more seasoned pro’s can lift a little light on the subject and show me how you feel given my requirements. That’s it, OH could some of you pro’s tell me what you were using two years ago.