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    BBC NEWS | England | London | Man sentenced for swimmer video

    He is in public place, presumably the camera is on full view.

    He gets off on spandex, films only adults, looks at video on train, some busy body thinks it is child pron and he gets nicked - even tho it isnt.

    So just cos this guy films adults for kicks he gets nicked???

    I film adults for kicks in public - just not for sexual reasons.

    I cant help thinking this is a bit over the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark W View Post
    I cant help thinking this is a bit over the top.
    Not really Mark. The difference between what he was doing and what you do is he was (a) filming secretly and (b) clearly using the secretly filmed footage for his website.
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    Im with you Mark, if your out in a public place expect at any time to be the focus of someone elses fantasy..

    Be it in the mind or magnetic tape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollingstock View Post
    Im with you Mark, if your out in a public place expect at any time to be the focus of someone elses fantasy..

    Be it in the mind of magnetic tape.
    If you're in a public place, then yes, I am sure you may well be an object of fantasy. But to capture for your personal 'consumption', and then broadcast this to the world. Well, I would say that is an invasion of privacy. There has to be an enforecable limit on certain activities (for example how fast you drive a car), and I would say that this particular limit is sensible.

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    It's people like this who make life difficult for serious videomakers.

    If you go somewhere like a public swimming pool, you go to relax. To have some creep taking close-up pictures of your crotch, boobs and bum to post on the internet is not what you expect. It is "using" you without your knowledge or consent.

    If I'm out in a public space I do not expect to be used for any reason. I wouldn't want foootage of me picking my nose, scratching my balls or concentrating on my beer belly or bald patch being broadcast on the internet. In the same way my missus doesn't want some loser posting videos of her boobs or bum.

    What now happens is, because of this creep and those like him, all videomakers are assumed to be pervs who are making voyeur-vids. This is exactly what causes laws on filming in public places to be made. The public, quite rightly, object to being used and the knee-jerk reaction is to ban all filming. Thanks to twats like Michael Matthews of Essex, the anti-video brigade now have more ammunition to use against "normal" videographers. Wait and see, this case will be used to justify legislation restricting filming or photographing people without their consent.

    This case will have lodged in peoples' minds and, next time they're on a beach or in a park, they will see someone with a camcorder and assume that it's yet another perv. As a result the 99% of video-makers who have no hidden agenda have to suffer because of the 1% who abuse the situation.
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    My earlier post makes me out as a sicko..

    Every year I help out the local school and video record the kindergarten Christmas play, as each year rolls on I find more and more parents pull their kids out of these events, mainly due to the fact it is being videoed.

    There can be many reasons for their actions and sometimes it's not at all related to camera paranoia, custody issues, religious beliefs also play a large part, even their fear of stress related to their child performing to a large audience.

    Certainly I feel a different vibe when I go out street shooting especially since the popularity of online video became popular. The movie The Truman Show sort of covers this type of issue and makes you think where the line is drawn in relation to the camera and it's audience.
    People have issues with the camera in your hand, but none with the numerous security cameras you would appear in in any modern city, why is there a issue with one and not the other.

    If I was always seen in public with a video camera in my hand maybe people would forget I even had one on me, I think in time people will desensitize to cameras as they are in phones and other small devices, this is happening now so on the issue of cameras in public I dare say were in a transitional phase, in 20 years time no one will even notice or bother being videoed.

    If something was not videoed it will be the unusual event, were almost there now.



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    I'm all for people going out and videoing. Hopefully it will become a normal, everyday activity.

    The one thing stopping videomakers becoming a 100% acceptable part of everyday life is a small group of twats who use video to either (a) make unsuspecting people look stupid or (b) use the images as pornography. The fact that they use the internet to broadcast these images compounds the offence (and offense).

    Since it's these few creeps who make my life more difficult, both professionally and as a hobby-filmmaker, I jump with joy when they are given harsh punishments.

    No Rollingstock, I don't consider you a sicko but although complete freedom seems like an Utopia, restrictions are necessary to protect the weaker members of society from sickos who abuse it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollingstock View Post
    Every year I help out the local school and video record the kindergarten Christmas play, as each year rolls on I find more and more parents pull their kids out of these events, mainly due to the fact it is being videoed.
    This is only one very sad example of something that we see all the time:

    The freedom of all being compromised by the increasing suspicion of a vast majority being aroused by a vocal minority over-reacting to the actions of a very small minority.

    This is an unfortunate side effect of the phenominal communication - and what's more, uncensored communication, that we have nowadays.

    I feel it nearly every day of my life. I'm just so wary of what "other people" might think. I'm reluctant, and will often pass up the opportunity, to get into a lift if the only other occupant is a female. Much as I love to see the way young children learn to interact with other kids and socialise - it's a really fascinating study in behavioural development - I avoid looking at kids in a park - or make it really obvious I'm with my daughter or another adult (preferably a woman).

    However, even if it were possible, would I go back to less communication and more censorship in what is reported? Certainly not!

    The frustrations I experience are a small price to pay for broader and better communication and freedom of expression.

    I think we're just going through a difficult time adjusting and in 20 years time I suspect that rollngstock's prediction that camcorders in public will be the norm and no-one will notice.
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    People using camcorders in public were the norm 10 to 15 years ago. I feel it is going full circle and we are getting to a stage now where they are becoming less and less used in public. I was at an outdoor event last Saturday and I was the only person there with a camcorder. I waited for about 20 minutes before I did any recording just to see if anyone else would use a camcorder but not one person had one. I've noticed this more and more over the past 3 or 4 years and it seems like it will continue.

    Camcorders are still being sold but is every single person who buys one taking it home and keeping it in a locked room and only taking it out at Christmas? I don't know what the reason is for this but something has changed in the past few years and it looks like it is here to stay for the time being at least. Has the scaremongering created by the tabloid press, certain pressure groups and politicians contributed to this? Quite possibly and the message seems to be hitting home, that if you own a camcorder and use it in a public place then you may be branded a pervert or a terrorist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikosony View Post
    People using camcorders in public were the norm 10 to 15 years ago. I feel it is going full circle and we are getting to a stage now where they are becoming less and less used in public.
    Same experience here. Took a camcorder to Brugge at the weekend, but saw no-one else filming the entire time. However, you quite often see people taking videos on their mobiles...

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