I filmed over a course of 5 months for this video from the day i got my sony hdr-sr5e camcorder. tried different techniques lighting situations and edited it in sony vegas, which I did not like one bit.
Hope you can give me some feedback and critisism, especially on the filming.
Even if you are not into BMX, just general edit and filming critisism would be good.
apologise for the quality I did not have enough hard drive space to save it to HD so I had to compress to a small mp4.
Apart from the that this is way too long for anyone (except those directly involved and possibly other BMXers) to watch all the way through, I thought it was a cut above yer average BMX video.
No narrative - it doesn't go anywhere, tell a story, inform. It's just a collection of clips. This will also make it long and people switch off. Once it becomes obvious it's not going anywhere people aren't going to bother watching to the end because there's no "payoff".
There are lots and lots and lots and lots of repetitions (the same trick performed over and over again, shot from the same angle) Whilst you have mixed the shots up pretty well so this isn't as terrible as it might have been, short term visual memory is pretty good and I kept thinking "Haven't I seen that shot already?"
Choice of music. The understated rock gave the film a much more relaxed feel than the more obvious high-energy elecro/rap/trance stuff we might expect. An unexpected diversion from the norm which, I thought, worked very well.
Camerawork: Many shots were very well composed. The camera was steady in the main. Those shot during (I guess) the early evening with the golden glow were particularly attractive to look at. There were some very nice tracking shots. I'm guessing these weren't hand held - did you use a steadycam or mount the camera to a bike and wheel it as a makeshift dolly?
Editing: Whilst the length, repetition and lack of any sort of storyline have already been mentioned, I thought the actual clips you chose were pretty well edited. There was just enough "before" and "after" each trick left in each clip.
There were a few shots of the riders faces showing reactions. But there were NOT ENOUGH. If there's one thing that makes a video watchable it's seeing the people's FACES, seeing reactions from indifference through to pain, grief, hilarity personalises a video. Only some people can really relate to the stunts being performed whereas we can ALL relate to feelings. Use them more.
Hope that helps.
BTW what did you hate so much about editing in Vegas? I'm guessing the pain was more to do with the fact you were trying to edit AVCHD than the actual workflow within Vegas, but I'd be interested if it was anything else.
Thank you for the detailed feedback it helps a lot.
story wise, how do you suggest creating a story from a bmx video. I can't picture it and have no clue where to start i have been making edits to showcase the riders skills, could you possibly help out into how i would create a story for my next video in the future?
I'm glad the music went down well I was not entirely sure people would like it as most of the people in the video are into their rap music.
Also are you saying I should film on a more personal level? every time they pull a trick film there faces or have short clips every now and again show casing there mood while riding?
Mostly all the shots were shot hand help. some shots on a tripod, I can't afford a steadycam so i had to be as steady as my arms could let me. all the moving shots were shot on a skateboard I'd start recording early run and jump onto the skateboard and be steady and try and steer round the area.
and to end it... vegas just annoyed me, slow rendering times. i've rendered a 2 minute video in premiere cs4 and it took half an hour. in vegas it took around 3 hours. Also the fade out effects were pretty rubbish and i thought the whole selection tools were poor where as in programs like premiere its easy to pick apart bits from clips and edit just one piece.
To pick up on what Tim said, I would agree on the length... it's far, far too long for a general audience. Filming on a personal level? If that means including some of the banter that's going on, reactions from others when someone totally screws up a trick, reactions of the rider when a trick comes off, yes, all that would enhance this film. The social element at the moment is almost totally missing...
As for your experience of Vegas, I would look at your render settings and investigate a little. It is (in my humble) very easy and intuitive. Keep at it if you can. As one forum regular used to say, Vegas is da Shizzle!
Other than that, a great start and already a cut above the normal bmx dross that usually gets posted.
all the moving shots were shot on a skateboard I'd start recording early run and jump onto the skateboard and be steady and try and steer round the area.
Well that's impressive. Certainly steady enough not to be distracting. Ever thought of changing your name to Dolly
As for filming on a personal level - what Andy said. The stunts are impressive, but remind viewers that these are real living, breathing, feeling people who are performing them. It will really enhance the stunts.
i thought the whole selection tools were poor where as in programs like premiere its easy to pick apart bits from clips and edit just one piece.
If you want a more "traditional" way of selecting the bits you want to drop onto the timeline, look at using the trimmer. Particularly as now in v8.0c the trimmer has its own viewer.
Unsure what you mean by fade out effects. I mean a fade is a fade. With Vegas you can choose from a variety of "slopes" to the fade (start fast end slow, start slow end fast, start and end slow with a faster pace in the middle, linear) What else could you have?
If what you mean is a fancy transition to nothing (eg a closing iris, a wipe, blinds etc) the trick is to overlap a black generated media event with the end of your final clip and drop a transition on the crossover.
If you're after real fancy gimmicky 3D whizz-bang transition effects - then you'll spoil your video. Your video deserves better than that.