Stickyfeet,

Are you talking about changing the grid appearance?

If that's the case using the method I showed, I would split all tracks, and change the size and shape etc. using the Pan/Crop. You could use keyframes, but this is a little easier.

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I was assuming stickyfeet was having trouble with the pan/crop settings moving within one event or grid layout. Without doubt splitting events at the point you change the grid layout is FAR more straight forward than using keyframes. Sorry if I caused any confusion.

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Tim

Gord,

I'll try and explain a bit better.

I have three clips of video (identical and synced) then halfway through the project I make clip three something different (but maintaining the positions/pan and crop etc through out). Now clip three happens to be bottom right of the screen.

Now I can add another clip no probs, but I can only see the bottom right of it. Lets say I want to see whats in the top left. But keeping the exact size and layout of the clips.

Does that make any sense?


Thanks

If I get this right, in this example you want what appears in the original media top left to appear in the bottom right of the screen. You need to use a combination of Track Motion and Event Pan & Crop.

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Tim

Tim's correct.

You'll have to place the new video on another track so you can use the track motion just on this media. Use Pan/Crop to select the area you want shown then use track motion to place the footage.

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Cheers Gents, makes sense. I don't know why I didn't think of that.

I'm at work tonight, but will give it a shot tomorrow


Thanks again.

OK, I've given it a bash but no joy.

I tried using Motion Tracking on the new clip which replaces clip 3 but that changes size. I want it to remain the same (I originally sized it exactly the same as the others via pan and crop)

Here's my time line ....




Tracks 3 & 4 are identical in dimensions etc, just that track 3 ends and 4 appears in its place.

Which looks like this ....



My problem is track 4. I'm happy with its location and size just the actual footage. I'd like to somehow move the pic underneath, where I would be able to see the baby's head. Somehow slide it to the right.

Hope that makes sense

Thanks

I think I'm with you. Try this..
You've presumably copied the event P&C from Track 3 to track 4, so you have the "frame" in the right place.
Now open up the event P&C on track 4 on its first frame and move, without resizing, the crop area to give you the area you want to display (ie the baby's head).
This will have move the crop to the "wrong" place in the preview window.
Now with the cursor back on the first frame of the event, use the track motion control to move the displayed area from track 4 back into its proper position.

This takes care as you need to line it up exactly with the previous position for the clip on track 3.

There's probably a variant of Garzie's method which will let you "slide" the image around under the mask which will take a bit more setting up and guarantee positioning.

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Tim! I've been reading the responses here and kinda chuckling? If you follow my original "invitation" you get what you want; it is controllable; you have MASKS that are, and can be KeyFrame copied and you can even save them as presets too!

Look, the "F"rame is a method of physically altering ALL of the frame of what you see. Yes it will appear partially and "mimic" a MASK - but for my money it isn't and nor was it its primary job to do this kind of masking under discussion. If you want to argue that a Crop is a kinda mask then I agree - but only in as much it "removes" that which you don't want to see in a TOTAL-EVENT way. Move that CROP and the video slips sideways or up or down. Yes you can "overcome" this having the aspect ratio disengaged - but in essence we are still moving a cropping feature that is TOTAL-EVENT centric. The fact that you can SEE a lower track is all to the good - but in essence Pan/Crop was meant for just that - PANing and CROPing a piece of media. It's a nice advantage to be able to layer, and see the lower layer "bordering" the P/C-ed media, but this, IMO, is a "bonus".

Now, with Track Motion and Cookie Cutter and combinations of the 3 - P/C+TM+CC - I/we can get close to what is under discussion.. The operative word here is "close" - and I would postulate that it is a real PITA if I/we want then to alter and thence get into the REAL part of this, and that's creating the narrative - "But I want the baby's head . . . " . and so on.

I've messed with this stuff since VideoFactory days (now VMS) and now with VEGAS, and since V4, we were all clamouring for a "proper" MASK solution. So now with Bezier Masking [BM] we got it. BM is a function-rich process. BM allows for single OR multiple MASKS to be created, moved and sequenced against time AND against each other. When use in combination with the Parent track process I described, then what I believe we have is a "bolted-down", no-nonsense and controllable and straightforward controllable method.

As I said, way back up there, in the other post, VEGAS has some sweet spots - get to grips with the audio and you will be amazed; understand just WHAT you can achieve with Colour Corrector and the Colour Curves and you will be blown away; mess with Nested Timelines and complex editing becomes a joy and here with Bezier Masking and the Parent+Child combos, is a solution just ready to be explored. The sweet spot here is that it is a way that has been developed IN SPITE of P/C. Yes you can make a grid - but it isn't. It appears as a grid, but not a grid that contains media that then can be manipulated in a creative way. It is often said that VEGAS has many ways to achieve an outcome - I'm suggesting here that this is one of those times that that virtue - many ways - can be hobbling and awkward.

Please have another go with my approach. I'd be interested to see just WHAT the issues are with this.

. .what more can I say . .

Oh yeah, Tim, it's "Grazie" . .not Garzie?!? Reminds me of that well-known Cornish Pilchard dish: "Star-Gazie Pie"!

I wish "Gord" would have a go at my approach. Then maybe he and I could compare notes?

Best regards

Grazie . . ( "Garzie"! - My Foot!!)

That was nearly a week ago. How can you expect someone who can't even type two letters in the correct order to remember what he was experimenting with back then

Slightly more seriously, I have every intention of revisiting your suggestions soon, but given absolutely no spare time now, I simply posted a "quick fix" for the method that stickyfeet was employing. :-(

I love the Bezier mask solution and am grateful for you introducing me to it (I was aware of it but not fully aware of the possibilites), honestly.

(did you notice that in the interests of fairness I transposed the two "e"s in sticky's name)

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