Come on Luke... everyone knows that you would have taken that job from Martin... :lol:

Could't have done I am afraid. Don't have my own equipment! But now you bring it to my mind . Oh yeh and it's filming on weekdays .

Now THAT made me laugh more than an offer of a free, unpaid, bring your own gear job where you have to do everything except make the tea.

Nice one Luke, like it.

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did you have a contract? - If so check it otherwise you could sue them for copyright infrindgment by using your material for promotional use. YOu were never paid therefore the coopyright is always in favour of the ca,meraman - (look this up but i do think I'm right)

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O'k i definately got off on the wrong foot here then! SORRY all and i do see where you are all coming from with this.
In honesty i would more than likely be as suspicious with outsiders coming onto our photographic and modelling forums as i have been in the past. However my main gripe here was simply in the way we were greeted to this forum with what i believed to be straight forward picking holes without so much as a hello and who you were.
I guess i forgot i was on a foreign forum and needed to say things a bit better. The forums i use within my normal business we are well known so they know what we are about and what we say is for real and not crap like oh so many others.

Anyway, the long and short of all this was we were looking for cameramen who can work on their own initiative if necessary. What we mean by that is the format is the same week in week out for this series, much like bargain hunt etc etc and we just need to know while we are doing something we don't have to constantly watch what each cameraman is doing.
The full S.P will be given each day and we are their as producers/directors and also part of the show,on hand to ask questions and for help.
The more people are able to work on own the more we are happy to pay, simple as that.A contract will be given to the cameramen we select with rates dependant on what you can do and where applicable what equipment you have. This will range from £300 to £500 per day plus all expenses as we will be travelling the U.K for first series and then hopefully other countries for future series.
We are currently negotiating with 3 of the major broadcasters a price so it is not a case of IF it sells it is a case of WHEN we sell for how much.

Everything we are doing with this series is going on record as part of future episodes as well as the main feature each week. This includes our customer negotiations.

Until the contract is signed sealed and delivered we are still not saying on public forums what it is we are doing. We will show pilot with synopsis to interested parties like I said before.

Well i have probably babbled on too long now and not only got your backs up again but bored you silly too!!

I do apologize again for upsetting anyone and getting on my high horse over the matter.

Good day to you all.

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No contract, but as far as I know thay still have no money and have another failure under thier scamming belts shot no doubt by some other fool ! Good expirience I suppose for me, both the filming work and the sore lesson...

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Please don't get the impression that Videoforums exists in order to shoot down ideas and projects. On the contrary, I understand it's something the moderators want to encourage!

Purely from my point of view, I'm slowly getting tired of the way some firms/people/producers in the glamour industry use others indiscriminately. I'm not saying that "Glamour&Entertainment" are dishonest or in any way acting unfairly, it's just that so many people at the bottom or entry levels of adult television end up working for little or nothing, that I feel I should point out the pitfalls to the unwary.

In my opinion: No camera(wo)man should ever work for nothing, unless it's for friends or a private project. Either the producer has the confidence to finance his production properly, or he hasn't. I'm afraid this "work for us and if you're any good we might pay you" deal doesn't sound fair to me. I'm not saying that this is dishonest, just not professional. It also means that a good cameraman has to hope that the others are up to his standard otherwise nobody gets paid.

Getting a foot in the door is one thing, being used is another. The old saying "only a fool works for nothing and many a fool does" is just as true in the video industry as elsewhere. If the wanabee cameraman uses this as a chance to get some experience, fine. I just feel that working, with equipment, on a project where you might get paid, or might not, is a sign of being desperate to work, anywhere.

There is also a "casting" scam doing the rounds and I'm just a bit nervous that this is a variation on the theme. I have absolutely no proof of this and hope that I'm being over-suspicious, but as none of us know "Glamour&Entertainment" personally, I think we're right to be very cautious. I'm glad that Martin has understood that we're not shooting down everyone who comes onto the site, in fact, the opposite, we'd like to encourage people. Just that some of us, through experience, have had our fingers burnt and don't want others to get the same.

I'm the first to encourage newcomers and jump on board new and start-up projects, I just like to know what I'm getting into and think that others should do the same.
Nothin' personal.

Hi again Guru,

Thanks for your reply.
I/We fully understand what you are saying about getting fingers burnt etc as we have been in the glamour business for many years and know all the cons etc. In earlier years we got caught out a few times ourselves i can tell you.
However, this has still not stopped us from continuing with our goal of changing the way things are done, even though it gets you down sometimes with all those assholes out there trying it on. (sorry about language).

With this project i guess it does sound like your ordinary everyday "come and work for nothing and we will have you over" brigade but I can assure you and everyone else it is not like that at all.

Everyone ( and we have 3 so far ) who wants to do this day, and I won't go into details again as typing is not my strong point!, will own the copyright to their footage until we buy it off them if what we are looking for. They will sign contract before shooting to say they will keep all tapes which we can view at earliest convenience and where necessary get paid for that days work as they will for all the others they will then do after that in advance.
I am not sure how that comes accross on here but basically, if we offer them work after they will get contract and be paid for work done.

We are simply giving everyone a shot at getting the contract by showing us what they can do in a very real working envirenment and if successful they will be paid accordingly for what they shoot that day also. In reality they will probably only do a couple of hours each anyway that day but be paid full days pay if we like how they work.
The way we see it we need to cover our backsides also. Why should we pay for something we havn't seen work when it might not be what we are looking for??
Sounds harsh i guess but the same applies to models who turn up looking nothing like their images and can't do what was required of them and yet still have to be paid. Do we get our money back plus expenses for time wasted and false advertizing on their part etc? NO we don't so we need to be 100% sure before commiting as well. I have sent models away before for this reason but the nightmare you get after does not bear thinking about even though they cost you money and time etc they believe they should be paid just for turning up even though you sent them away for not being what they said they were.

Anyway, not sure how that comes accross, which is the trouble with emails etc they can be mis-construed and all hell breaks loose!!

Thanks again and if you have any other comments please do say and i will try my best to answer again and make some sense!

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