Please, feel free to research more...

You'll find the company makes 0 proft.

It is my company, i'm the director, and there are no employees. Nor are any of the bands mentioned above, affiliated with my company. (FYI, the 'official' company secretary is my mother! XD )

It exists purely for my taxes to better streamline my expenses. You can find more about me here:

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I write comic books, and know a lot of big name guitarists/bands.

I'm really not trying to take the piss here. I'm 22 years old and you're making me out to be some kind of corporate entity looking to rip off graduates, i'm just looking for someone of similar age to work with me on this project.

I won't even own any of the rights to any of the content, it all stays with the labels - Metal Blade, Century Media, Road Runner, etc. I even have to send them the tapes back after the tenure of the promotional contract expires.

Anyway, i'm happy to reword and the correct the OP if you'd be willing to clearly explain what you don't like about it, why its patronizing, and what is missing. I really think you've gone a bit overboard with all this!

I think you are confused about a number of matters.

So you work for other record comapnys making promo material for free - er er why ?

And just cos you do why should anyone else ??

Well, whatever - people will make thier own judgemnts but I maintian that you are mad expecting people to work for a lintited comaony for free.

I have done free work - for charitys and advocacy groups I support - thats it.

You want people to work for you - you gotta pay them - simple.

I never once said i wouldn't be willing to pay people for their services, just that I personally don't get any financial gain from this. It's something i'd rather negotiate with anyone interested than just pluck a flat rate out of the sky. I'm happy to put in the £25p/hour thing, but i was thinking more along the lines of a flat fee per viral video created from my rough edits.

The promotional footage helps everyone involved, just in terms of exposure, rather than any specific product or placement. Its also fun and independent content where we can do and say anything we like, because its not for commercial release of has any company policy or brand image to adhere too. As i say, its mostly an idea i came up with by chatting with a bunch of high profile guitarists i know, to do something slightly out of the norm and a bit of a laugh. The footage is being created for free / at my expense, for those involved, but the Labels technically own it, even though it would never be suitable for them to use.

We can do whatever we like in production, and use the footage for promotional use (we being, whoever the record labels authorize) but the actual content 'belongs' to the label, because they basically own those bands, and i have to jump through hoops just to get permission to put them on camera. then are are very strict guidelines about how and where that footage can be displayed/viewed.

Anyway, i am not mad, and i don't expect anything for free. However my line of work is fairly erratic and while it centers around the comic books, there is a lot going on, so it seemed simply to just state the work at hand and be done with it.

If you're willing, id like to clean up this thread and perhaps you could remove our banter, once you provide me with whatever guidelines you require for my OP to meet your standards, and it is amended to your liking?

I love the smell of backpeddling in the morning - lols.

I wont be editing any of my posts - but feel free to edit yours...

You may like to put your contact details in the original post as I removed them when you were asking people to work for free - meanie that I am.

Please understand many pisstakers post on this board with daft enticements like you did, I think it is usury and wrong - as I am sure you have sensed...

If thats your stance, then I'm not editing anything i've put out there, nor back peddling, I stand by everything posted.

It was your suggestion to remove the thread if you were dis-satisfied with my comments. Feel free to do so, as your endless accusations have made my OP fairly worthless, not to mention devoid of contact details. You call me a liar for no reason, you make comments about rights and licensing when you aren't even aware of standard contractual policies involving label artists. Infact I get the feeling you have pretty much no idea about most of the standard industry practices I've been talking about. Plus, if i was trying to hide my LTD company, why the hell would i put in my userhandle.. and my email.. i mean come on!

But, since you're quite the sleuth, look me up: 'Llexi Leon' and personal comic project, 'Eternal Descent' If you think this is all BS, and i have nothing to offer your community in terms of work prospects and remuneration, you're the mad one.

As moderator, you've taken it upon yourself to ruin a perfectly respectable job offer, without ever truly taking the time to explain your stance, or what you required correcting. You even began by insulting me outright.. Great start. Even in trying to adhere to your forums guidelines and policies regarding the OP, you were never once informative or moderate in your approach. Thanks for your unhelpful and prejudice attitude throughout. lolz indeed.

As a relative newcomer to this forum I'd just like to say how glad I am to see such a firm stance being taken against this kind of exploitative practise which is so pervasie in our industry and threatens to ruin it from the bottom up.

If you want to film your friends' bands for free, fine. If you want to collaborate with your friends to film gigs/shorts etc, fine. If you want to come and advertise for people to work for you for expenses only then F**K right off. It is morally bankrupt, not to mention illegal.

I agree entirely:

My second post states i am not expecting anyone to work for free. My later post wonders where i ever implied such a thing.

I agree with the stance, i don't agree with the 'Hard line' jumping to conclusions. Or making accusations in field where you're not familiar with the standard legal practices. The idea of me keeping all rights to the footage is just beyond absurd, and was plucked out of no-where due to a total lack of contractual understanding. All that needed to be said was, 'Please specify a rate for this job, or i will have to delete the thread, we do not solicit unpaid work.'

I use my Limited Company name in my user handle and my e-mail, and apparently this made me a fibber when it appeared on companies house?! It just confirms the company is legitimate and i'm happy to back it publicly.

What i find hilarious is that after all this: My add still doesn't contain a suggested fee for the job, and yet it stays on the forum anyway! I asked many times what needed to be put in the OP to make it suitable, but never got my answer. Just an in depth conversation about the workings of 360 label deals regarding video licensing, and the reason i have a LTD company to run expenses through. Fascinating

Well when you consider the proliferation of 'expenses only' jobs advertised in this industry, are you surprised that when you come and post an ad and only mention expenses, no mention of actual payment, that people readit as 'expenses only'?

As someone already said, it smacks of backpeddaling. If you were going to pay, you would have a rate in mind; it seems strange to neglect to mention this in the initial posting.

Bullshit is not compulsory in the video business.

If you are starting out, working from your bedroom, have mummy as company secretary and living from the Bank of Dad, then be upfront and say so from the outset. It will save you aggro and everyone knows where they stand.

If you come out with all this pseudo-industry-babble then you will be called on it.

The "industry" is full of bullshitters and a lot of them visit our forum looking for people to work for free. We will help someone open, honest and starting out, we will jump down the throats of anyone hoping to earn money by getting desperates to work for kudos or the hope of future payment.

There is an old adage "any fool can work for nothing and many a fool does".

Yea - I speak from bitter expirience as an ex fool who was promised thousands for months of free work years back. I got nothing.

As for meeting famous people - well that was what really set me off - lols. Most ' famous ' people are arseholes. I meet an arsehole every morning when I get up.