Im not sure (i dont have the software here to confirm), but i think SONY DVD ARCHITECHT allows us to add 2 audio tracks to a video.

I refer the Honourable Gentleman to my previous post

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Thanks Crusty for that great idea your reply was very helpful and if there is no other way around it i will go with your idea, would audition work ok for this?



Turn Media

Your post was very helpful to me but i am still unsure about if i can some how do the live recording of the commentary within architect. i cant understand in vegas it gives you the option to Preview your work on a Secondary Display Monitor but in Architect the only option i see is for IEEE 1394/DV, what’s going on here?

Thanks

Hi Jo. DVDA is only a DVD authoring package, nothing more. Crustys advice is the way to go, recording your alternate soundtrack as a seperate track which you can then edit, sync with your video and then use as an additional soundtrack in DVDA. I was just pointing out how, in DVDA you can add those track(s).

As a final thought, why not (if you don't have any special audio recording software), simply use your cameras microphone to record the new track to tape, capture it in the usual way, dump the video part and just use the audio?

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I have auditions, i have a pretty decent sound card so hopefully that should work well. if you get a retail DVD and play it and press the audio button on the remote you will hear the commentary, the director talks and takes you through the movie. The seens where he’s not talking the sound of the movie goes up and when he is talking the sound goes down, that's also something i want to do with my project. is any of this going to be possible with architect? If there is another software you know of that could be better for this kind of work please let me know i don’t mind spending for something that is going to last me and is packed with everything i need. Also do you have any idea why i can’t Preview it on a Secondary Display Monitor instead of the IEEE 1394/DV?

Thanks for any help you can offer

Jo...Again.... Architect is ONLY a dvd authoring program. You will have to make the secondary soundtrack yourself in Vegas, export it as an audio file and THEN load it into DVDA.

To make the track you want -

Record your voiceover.
Import it into Vegas on a new audio track above the existing track.
Reduce the volume of the existing track in the appropriate places.
Export the final track as a new file.
Import it into DVDA as a secondary (alternate) track.

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You need to output on the IEEE 1394/DV then take AV out out your camera into a seccondary monitor (any TV with AV/scart will do if you have a pro one like me that takes BNC then you need a RCa to BNC connetor. As andy says Make a seprate sound track in vagas then import it into DVDA

Hi Turn Media

Thanks for that i think i got it now this is going to be a challenge to put all this together.

LukeD

what do i need if i want to connect it up to my other monitor its only got a standard VGA connection on the back can i use this as the Preview Display?

thanks

OK.. I've done a little more research on my own system here. Movie Edit Pro can record microphone audio while playing the movie. Coolness. Didn't know it could do that. Not that this has much to do with your question, Jo. But while testing that, I did get an alternative idea on how to get your second audio stream and then mux it into your final MPG.

If Vegas can record audio while viewing your video in it's monitor window, you can record a second version of your soundtrack with your voice-over. First make a DVD compliant copy of your video with original sound track. Save it. Then while it's still in Vegas, start recording the voice-over onto a new track. When done, go to those areas where you have voice and reduce the audio of the original sound about 75% at each place. Fade it's audio down and back up to normal before and after. When that's sounding right, save the entire movie as a DVD compliant MPG again, but with a different file name.

Now start TMPGEnc, use the 'Files>Mpeg Tools> Multiplex tab'. Add the original movie MPG, then add the new MPG with the voice track. TMPGEnc will only add the sound track of this second mpg and leave the video out. Run and save to a third file name.

Then it's time to worry about the DVD authoring. I don't know what DVD authoring program you have. I use DVDLab, but it's not really good for multiple sound streams. I suspect if I introduce chapters, I'll mess up the second sound stream. DVDLab Studio can handle two sound streams ($129 US) and DVD Lab Pro can handle eight sound streams ($199).

The next step, Authoring, is rather complicated, lots of decisions involved. It's a very good idea to try and sketch on a piece of paper how you want the viewer to control the experience. In my engineering days we called this the 'state machine' diagram.

Maybe you want it so when he puts the DVD in the player, he can start by getting a static picture menu of some sort with just a single selection button to start viewing the movie with the standard sound track or have it start automaticaly after a few seconds if he doesn't press any button. Or there may be a second button on the menu for a 'Scene Selection' choice that goes to another menu that has buttons for each 'chapter' . Or another button to select the audio setup so he can choose normal or commented audio.

For each 'state' I'd draw a fair sized circle and label it with something describing the state, like 'Showing Root Menu-Play button highlighted' or 'Showing Chapter Menu-first chapter button hightlighted' or 'Playing movie' . Then for each thing the user can do at each state, draw an arrow line from the state's circle to the circle of the state that action will shift to. Label the line with something descriptive of the action it represents, like 'Press Play Button' or 'Move Highlight to next button to the left' or 'Autostart timer actvates'. As you can see, this is easy only for the most simple DVD structures. When you get to the really complicated DVDs Hollywood has been known to toss out, the planning and design can take weeks. A good DVD authoring program will have stock templates that can be edited, saving a lot of time. Everything depends on your authoring program for this and how much effort you want to spend.

I'll try a test video for this on my system this week and see what happens. Should be interesting. I'm betting the extra audio stream will disappear by the time the final transcoding is done.

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Hi Crusty.

In Vegas, you can export both audio streams as AC3s. So no need for the TMPGEnc stage at all. One video, two audios. Both exported as AC3 and imported into DVDA as such. Saves alot of work. Thanks for fleshing out the details of the mixing part, I was out of time to spoon-feed it all out. I don't think though that Vegas can record in real time like that, but I could be wrong. I would, as you previously suggested, make a quick DVD and then record a new soundtrack synced to that.

So, to sum up for Jo.

Record two audio tracks and render as individually named AC3 files. Follow Crusty's guide to mixing the sounds for your alternate track.
Import into DVDA and follow Crusty's guide to authoring it.

The End.

(I doubt it somehow!)

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