Hmmmmm

well... okay some of them might be encrypted
Ah, yes VideoReDo will convert vob files to mpg but... not avi which i prefer because I've got Premiere pro which has problems with the sound from mpg files.
:cry:
Ho hum, isn't life fun, sorry to be a pain, but just think; if it weren't for twerps like me, you'd be bored.
But thanks for the advice about DVDx 2.3 I'll give it a go.
Now if I could only work out why the sound doesn't play in the timeline...