I got you down as an eccentric rambo type figure who strolls the local beaches with a mad max type camera covered in knives, guns and a rocket launcher.

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Lol, nah, that'll be your assumptions and prejudices coming out .

Almost everyone I've met believes my collection of guns, all used for shooting set up targets as a sport, is some form of darker purpose. At work they even call me 'Tackleberry' .

No, the only animate objects I shoot are rats, which is far better than poisioning them and other things around them, and I take no pleasure from that I can assure you.

And you think Im odd!!

Sorry. But I'm not one bit impressed with it. What's the point? Other that saying "I've made this pointless accessory bracket" it has no benefit over post.

EDIT. Why not put your clear talent for tinkering in your shed to a worthwhile purpose like building an alternative to a Steadicam? At least that would have a purpose.

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Why did I become a Video Editor? Well, To cut a long story short....

No need to apologise Andy, clearly you have missed the point entirely.

In my OP I state that next year I want to make a film about 'Field Target' shooting.

This sport involves targets made of metal which replicate legal quarry, although in some sensitive areas they are more abstract representations of inanimate things like aeroplanes and tanks. The targets are designed so that a 'hit' area when impacted it operates a mechanism which make the whole target fall over, making it visually clear that you have successfully impacted the small hit zone. These hit areas are a maximum of 45mm in diameter, and can be as small as 15 mm.

The 'course' is divided into 'Lanes', each lane having three or four targets in it at distances up to some 60 yards. The targets are placed in such a way that the shooter has to adopt less than favourable positions just to be able to see them, they might be behind branches or logs, up trees, even behind bushes forcing a shot from the prone position. Other lanes specify a standing or kneeling shot.

To be able to put across in film what it's like for a shooter to overcome these obstacles, it's best to show exactly what they are seeing, hence mounting a video camera on to the rifle scope does just that. Some of the gaps that have to be shot through can be so small that any off scope axis filming will simply not be showing what has to be overcome, and an important element to the sport would be missing. It's more than holding a rifle still with the cross hairs on the target, the elevation, distance, and the wind play a part in the sighting of the target, this can only be demonstrated in practice by looking through the scope. It's a far more sophisticated art than you might imagine.

The image was put here to impress anybody, your thinking that is something you have to deal with, I'm simply sharing things I do for the sake of discussion and conversation, it's one of my hobbies and has been put here for those who might be interested. If that is distasteful to you then your potentially negative thinking is firmly your problem, for I am not going to stop unless the forum administration deems it appropriate. Also please consider that my 'clear talent' means I can knock out these things without a second thought, it really is no big deal, you're basically voicing dissent as a consequence of my being able to do these things easily, which is silly frankly, especially in view of all the other things I've shown here which does include camera steadies and far more universally usefull video accessories.

I'm simply sharing, please get used to that.

I'll say one thing for you Jerry, you certainly have the most long-winded and pontificating posts on this forum.

Take a chill-pill and get off that high horse of yours. You make toys in your garage, okay, big deal. You said "The image was put here to impress anybody..." and "I can knock out these things without a second thought" well aren't you the clever one... As for me, I'm off to Scandinavia to shoot some second-unit stuff for a TV series. Which I can do "without a second thought". Impressed? You should be. Since I didn't make the equipment I use you probably aren't interested though.

What you've shown is that you like tinkering away making gizmos, that's not the same as making videos. Andy has a good point and you, as a newby, should look at his stuff, listen and learn. He's right. It has no videomaking benefit over making the effect in post. It's more fun and tickles the gun freaks but, as a tool, it's not "better" than post and that's from someone who is not a fan of post.

As for your "I'm simply sharing, please get used to that." well, you've given us a fair bit of behind the scenes amusement but your beach videos don't put you into the expert-videomaker category, not by a long chalk, and you're certainly nowhere near the level of Andy in his professional or amateur videomaking skills.

So, we'll tolerate your lengthy diversions and preudo-science but please don't get out of your pram with those who are better videographers than you and been doing it for a long time.

Getting the message?

Edit: I know that Andy doesn't need me to defend him but he's a nice bloke and it irks me when newbies come in, asssume they're special and get sarcy with those they could learn from. For example, he politely tried to tell you that he'd been making and selling camera cranes for years, you could have learnt a lot from him.

My high horse?

Ha!. Oh well, again you read my posts with your own inflections turning them into someone who isn't chilled about it. I type fast btw.

No matter, video making is a hobby for me, it'll allways be so. Unfortunately your concepts seem to be driven by excellence being the benchmark for achievement, I'm rather a person who sees any step forward achievement in itself. I can respect and admire the trip you're about to go on as much as the next person, perhaps if you'd met me face to face you'd have a different view of me, but that's not going to happen and I know when it's best to cut my losses.

For the record you have made up in your own mind that I disrespect his capabilities, when if fact I've never said anything derogatory about his skills as a film maker, I suggest you have a problem with me and have simply seized an opportunity to bite back. No problem, I'll leave you guys and your sense of self excellence in peace.

Hope it all goes well for you guys!

Oh shit - passion is a lively slippery beast to tame.

Smells a bit of testosterone this thread.

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That thread really didn't go too well, did it?
I suspect a missing 'nt in Jerry's post (The image was'nt put here to impress anybody) was the bit that caused the aggro.
Up to that final paragraph, I thought his response to Andy's "What's the point?" question was perfectly reasonable. Whilst it can be done in post, given the nature of the intended film, surely it's better to show a true "shooter's eye view", if possible. And that is what Jerry was experimenting with.
And I think his final paragraph has been misinterpreted. I think Jerry was trying to say "I'm not investing a lot of time, effort or money in doing this as I'm pretty skilled at this sort of thing and have access to the appropriate tools" - in other words he was playing it down. Unfortunately, the missing 'nt made him come across as an arrogant bugger.
If I've got that wrong, Jerry, then you are an arrogant bugger

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