Go Back   Video Editing Forums: Digital Director > Video Editing: Software Problems and buying advice > Adobe Premiere, Premiere Elements, and After Effects

Adobe Premiere, Premiere Elements, and After Effects For users of Adobe Premiere 6.0, 6.5 and Premiere Pro. Post problems, tips and queries!

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 05-08-2004, 07:07 PM
Junior Member
Windows Movie Maker
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 2
0 Videos nominated
Video Of the Month(s): 0
bunghead
Send a message via AIM to bunghead Send a message via MSN to bunghead Send a message via Yahoo to bunghead
Default Capturing uncompressed DV in Premiere 6?

Hi,

I'm capturing from mini dv (PAL - United Kingdom) into Adobe Premiere 6 via IEEE/1394 firewire. The results are pretty poor (using 'Microsoft DV-PAL' compression). I seem to get quite a bit of unacceptable shimmering pixelation along the edges of things. The source footage looks a lot better than the stuff I see once captured into premiere.

Someone suggested the solution is to "capture and edit uncompressed". I cannot quite see how to set this up in Premiere 6. Can anyone help? This is what I've tried...

Premiere only seems to offer the option for no compression when I change the 'editing mode' to 'Video for windows' instead of 'DV Playback'. But if I do this, I get the message 'unable to connect to capture driver' and can therefore not capture anything.

If I leave the editing mode at 'DV Playback', I can capture fine over firewire, but I only get the limited compression options of 'Microsoft DV-PAL' and 'Microsoft DV-NTSC'. Which seem to result in fairly crappy output.

Strangely, it seems straightforward to output uncompressed files from Premiere 6, which makes me think there must be a way of capturing uncompressed?

Can anyone offer any advice? Do I need a different NLE to capture and edit uncompressed? Or is there any other way to improve the capture quality?

The output is intended for DVD and subsequent large scale video projection, so I need to get the best quality possible. At the moment, I wouldn't even be happy to project the raw captured files at their existing quality, let alone what may come out after compressing to MPEG2 for DVD.

Many thanks.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 05-09-2004, 12:05 PM
Marc Peters's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Kent
Posts: 8,797
0 Videos nominated
Video Of the Month(s): 0
Marc Peters has disabled reputation
Default

In theory, transferring via firewire creates an exact copy. You could try using an alternative DV codec (Panason, canopus).
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 05-09-2004, 02:35 PM
Senior Member
Video Editing Junkie
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 163
0 Videos nominated
Video Of the Month(s): 0
tongachutt
Default

I've never had a problem capturing using the microsoft DV codedc and can achieve broadcast quality results using this codec.

Is the shimmering on your footage more noticable in fast pans/fast motion? If this is the case the shimmer maybe interlace artefacts which will go away once you view your footage on a TV. Also remember that the monitor window in premier does not show the full quality image. Try out-putting some footage back to your DV camera and watch it on your telly - the shimmer may not appear.

When you capture DV using firewire no compression is used, the codec is merely a "wrapper" for the raw data. You could use a different codec as Marc suggests but I dont think your problem lies here - the difference in quaility between these codecs is hardly noticable although some of them render/encode faster than MS DV.

tonga
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 05-09-2004, 06:30 PM
Junior Member
Windows Movie Maker
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 2
0 Videos nominated
Video Of the Month(s): 0
bunghead
Send a message via AIM to bunghead Send a message via MSN to bunghead Send a message via Yahoo to bunghead
Default

tongachutt - you were indeed right. I output straight back to tape and looked at it on a TV - there was no noticable difference between this footage and the source footage, which was a great relief. So it does indeed seem to be interlace artefacts and how these are displayed on a computer monitor.

But one further question - does anyone know of any kind of media player that can successfully emulate a TV display (PAL). This would be useful for two reasons - 1) I could at least preview what I'm going to get on my desktop and 2) sometimes I play direct from my PC (using media player) to a data projector - but this obviously still shows the pixelated artefacts.

Many thanks for your invaulable help.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 05-10-2004, 12:26 AM
Senior Member
Video Editing Junkie
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 163
0 Videos nominated
Video Of the Month(s): 0
tongachutt
Default

A PC monitor cant emulate a TV, it cant interlace frames. To get a true picture you need a tv plugged into a graphics card that supports tv out as well as monitor out.

If your film is for PC playback deinterlace your footage at the render stage.

tonga
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
capturing in premiere pro tgiannobile Adobe Premiere, Premiere Elements, and After Effects 1 03-26-2006 07:07 PM
Uncompressed Frames Problem Oni J. General Software Problems 0 03-22-2006 11:06 PM
uncompressed codec problem in Vegas 6.0 jester48 Sony Vegas and Media Studio 4 11-23-2005 04:24 PM
Capturing VHS to Premiere Pro Beynon General Software Problems 3 11-28-2004 09:33 PM
Capturing VHS with Premiere Pro Leroy Adobe Premiere, Premiere Elements, and After Effects 1 02-19-2004 02:26 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 01:06 AM.