Thanks for all the input. Loads of help. The project has finished building and all so it seems to be okay. we will see if the customer has any problems with it though. I usually try to burn my media at 4x and its TDK 8x media. So that usually is a pretty successful speed for me. could go as low as 2x but I really don't see the time to quality ratio really being worth that when having to burn 25 or 30 DVDs. Thanks again for the input.