I know. Pinnacle is much more restricted and limited than what I'm used to, but this guy is an old dog (I say respectfully). He uses nero and movie maker for slide shows, and he would like to use either of those programs to capture and edit. In fact, he doesn't do any editing. He simply transfers vhs to dvd. He used to use a simple vhs player and dvd recorder, but he likes having the computer do the work. Plus he likes being able to add his amateurish videographer logo at the end the footage. I'm just tyin to help a brother out. But I agree with you all the way.